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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

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    Yes. Fallacious nonsense.
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Men do it too, but I see you not defending them.
    My first post in this thread was in encouragement of more men choosing to do it, rather than making it a primarily female sacrifice.

    Either way, it is not a penalty. It is a choice. She could abort the child but chooses not to so she or he has to deal with the consequences of her choice.
    Of course it's a choice. The whole thread is predicated on the fact that it is a choice we do not want people to make. Do you think reiterating the fact that it's a choice accomplishes anything other than mental masturbation?
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

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    Pretended ignorance won't help you.
    I'm sorry that you do not like that it is fallacious nonsense, but your dislike of reality has no effect on reality.
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Good for you. You were able to get around the lack of good jobs by starting your own business.

    But, for those moms who are trying to get back into the workforce, it's a hard road. When there are multiple applications for every job, it's easy to simply discard the resumes of people who have a gap in employment. It is necessary to winnow down the applicants, after all, and that's one easy way to do it.

    And, not everyone who is raising kids alone chose to be a single parent. Sometimes, the choice of mate turned out to be a bad one. Sometimes, people die young and leave little kids for someone else to raise.

    And having a good education isn't enough for the job seeker any more. You have to have an education in some field that is in demand. If the job seeker has a nursing certificate, then a job is likely to be available. A masters degree in psychology isn't likely to be of as much help.

    The choice of day care/stay at home mom (or dad, why not?) should lie with the individual. Sometimes, the choice is made for them by necessity.

    And the idea that the government is somehow involved in a plot to make sure all kids are in state run daycares based on one sentence spoken by the POTUS is about as absurd of a conspiracy theory as I've heard, and there have been some pretty absurd ones promoted on this forum.
    You have misunderstood my post. I did not start my own business because I found it hard to get back into the workforce. I started my own business out of my home to afford me the opportunity to be a stay at home mom while my kids were small. Still working out of my home required a lot of support from my spouse. It was during the evening hours when I would decorate the cakes to be picked up the following day. Often that afternoon, I would create the decorations for the cakes when the kids went down for their naps. When Hubby was home in the evenings he tended to the children so I could complete the decorating. I've never found it difficult to get back into the workforce once my children became school age.

    Regardless of what has been said in this thread, my personal views are the very policies of government have created more poverty because they weaken the institution of marriage. Marriage is our number one defense against poverty. When the government provides so many programs and benefits for single mothers it takes away the personal responsibility (male and female) and adds to the number of out of wedlock births. They also add to the increase in divorces as the safety net has become so large that when couples run into difficulties, one just walks away leaving the parent with the children struggling financially and often seeking government assistance. If the safety net wasn't so large, more couples would strive to stay together at least till their children were raised. Also for those struggling to find a job, that too is the direct result of government policies that have thwarted economic growth. From over-regulations to healthcare. Adding pre-k classes to public schooling is just another way of providing free daycare and the result will be an increase in out of wedlock births and divorces. More fatherless homes that seem to produce troubled youth. Anyone who reads/watches the news knows that is the last thing society needs more of.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    What you are talking about is women's attitude toward society not the other way around. You feel that women should have their cake and eat it too. If you are opposed to abortion, then your position has merit and is consistent. If you support abortion and do not believe that women should live with the consequences of their decision not to abort, then your positions toward women lack a principled core. That you think this issue is confined to women who stay home indicates it is likely the latter.
    What does my view on abortion hold in regard to my views on the present state of things for parents? I think it's clear at this point that you don't have a clue what's being discussed here - I'm addressing reality and you're just randomly spitting things out.
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    But they do have experience on their resume. Employers just choose to treat that experience as though it's worthless.
    I don't buy it. In the case of most stay at home mothers and in the case of most jobs, the experience at one has barely anything to do with the experience at the other. A stay at home mother can be a lot of work, but it is (rarely) relatable to industry or job experience.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    You have misunderstood my post. I did not start my own business because I found it hard to get back into the workforce. I started my own business out of my home to afford me the opportunity to be a stay at home mom while my kids were small. Still working out of my home required a lot of support from my spouse. It was during the evening hours when I would decorate the cakes to be picked up the following day. Often that afternoon, I would create the decorations for the cakes when the kids went down for their naps. When Hubby was home in the evenings he tended to the children so I could complete the decorating. I've never found it difficult to get back into the workforce once my children became school age.

    Regardless of what has been said in this thread, my personal views are the very policies of government have created more poverty because they weaken the institution of marriage. Marriage is our number one defense against poverty. When the government provides so many programs and benefits for single mothers it takes away the personal responsibility (male and female) and adds to the number of out of wedlock births. They also add to the increase in divorces as the safety net has become so large that when couples run into difficulties, one just walks away leaving the parent with the children struggling financially and often seeking government assistance. If the safety net wasn't so large, more couples would strive to stay together at least till their children were raised. Also for those struggling to find a job, that too is the direct result of government policies that have thwarted economic growth. From over-regulations to healthcare. Adding pre-k classes to public schooling is just another way of providing free daycare and the result will be an increase in out of wedlock births and divorces. More fatherless homes that seem to produce troubled youth. Anyone who reads/watches the news knows that is the last thing society needs more of.
    Yes, I did misunderstand. I thought you meant you started a business after the children were in school. Anyway, I still say good for you for finding a way to be at home with your children while they were small.

    And I agree with what you said about marriage being the number one defense against poverty. Well, marriage and education anyway.

    As for pre school, it has been shown that children of poverty are more likely to succeed in school if they do have a pre school experience. Children of educated parents may not benefit, but still, the choice needs to be with the parents.

    Would such a program for small children result in more out of wedlock births, more divorces? On that, I'm not sure.


    Even with the government safety net in place, being a single parent is no picnic. I can't imagine having had to raise my two alone. I am familiar with two women who have had that task, my daughter and my sister. The one was due to a rat who left her with two little kids, the other due to the death of a spouse at an early age. Neither one chose single parenthood.
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by BringIt View Post
    Don't forget... It takes a village.

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    "It takes a village". Now there is a quote that grated on my nerves when she said it, and after bringing up 3 kids into their teens (where they all are now), I know damn well that no village has raised my kids. My husband & I did.
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    ? You think it's just a matter of women not wanting to work?

    Between my husband's demanding job in the military which often left me as the only parent around here; all the kids and their many ailments, injuries, and issues; and my own illnesses when I was pregnant as well as a lack of reliable childcare in the past when I was working - it was a painful decision for me to make.

    It wasn't that I didn't want to work.

    All too often women who choose to stay-at-home DO want to work. Instead, they end up having to be a family coupon instead.

    And once you're out of work for a while you're pretty much dead to the employment world. I'm not longer a sahm - My youngest has been in school for years. However, I've yet to find adequate employment. People see a job-gap and though I haven't been a laze-about-bum this entire time that means very little.

    And for some reason, now, even my husband doesn't seem to understand this. A lot of people just seem to not understand everything that goes into the decision and reason - not only in the beginning but later on when you make hard choices, again.

    Every time I talk about job-hunting my husband actually makes a joke about it or asks some silly thing like "you sure you want to do that" [Right - because almost going bankrupt because he's medically retired from the military and unable to work himself is so much better than me working]
    yep there are women out there that enjoying being a mom. i see nothing wrong with that and it is a perfectly fine for those that want to do it. in fact i commend women that do it.
    there are women out there that would rather be a stay at home mom instead of a mom and a worker.

    obama's speech should be considered offensive to women and those women that choose to dedicate themselves to their families as it is also a noble goal.
    i don't see why you think a women that wants to take care of her family is a bad thing. has the liberal corruption spread this far? i would certain hope not.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    You have misunderstood my post. I did not start my own business because I found it hard to get back into the workforce. I started my own business out of my home to afford me the opportunity to be a stay at home mom while my kids were small. Still working out of my home required a lot of support from my spouse. It was during the evening hours when I would decorate the cakes to be picked up the following day. Often that afternoon, I would create the decorations for the cakes when the kids went down for their naps. When Hubby was home in the evenings he tended to the children so I could complete the decorating. I've never found it difficult to get back into the workforce once my children became school age.

    Regardless of what has been said in this thread, my personal views are the very policies of government have created more poverty because they weaken the institution of marriage. Marriage is our number one defense against poverty. When the government provides so many programs and benefits for single mothers it takes away the personal responsibility (male and female) and adds to the number of out of wedlock births. They also add to the increase in divorces as the safety net has become so large that when couples run into difficulties, one just walks away leaving the parent with the children struggling financially and often seeking government assistance. If the safety net wasn't so large, more couples would strive to stay together at least till their children were raised. Also for those struggling to find a job, that too is the direct result of government policies that have thwarted economic growth. From over-regulations to healthcare. Adding pre-k classes to public schooling is just another way of providing free daycare and the result will be an increase in out of wedlock births and divorces. More fatherless homes that seem to produce troubled youth. Anyone who reads/watches the news knows that is the last thing society needs more of.
    This is so far beyond wrong I don't know where you get these ideas.

    Government programs did not cause the problems of unwed mothers. Unwed mothers led to us needing the programs more and more because societal changes in what people are taught at home caused the issues. Part of it is the fact that we look for love instead of stability and a stable reliable person when it comes to a mate and are taught this more than actually being taught what a good, positive intimate relationship is about. It all starts in what people are taught at home and by others if the home just isn't enough. Many unwed mothers are searching for someone that they can be with, to be a good father or parent for their children, and ways to better themselves, to make their career opportunities better, so they can care for their children rather than rely on the government assistance. No, it may not be all unwed mothers, but it still is many.

    So you want to get people off of those programs, work on programs that give a hand up rather than a hand out, including job training that is accepted by work places that pay more than minimum wage or just barely above because parents cannot raise children on minimum wage. And when it comes to those on assistance programs, we should be working on setting up job share situations where if a mother/father is not working full time or going to school full time, then they should be first looking for a full time job or schooling or they need to be helping to take care of other people's children or helping them run errands or with rides to work or school in order to help take some of that societal burden away. And they need to get classes on relationships, budgeting, and other "life skills" classes. In fact, we should have these in high school. And these should include definitely a class on healthy, intimate, committed relationships.
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