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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Men do it too, but I see you not defending them. Either way, it is not a penalty. It is a choice. She could abort the child but chooses not to so she or he has to deal with the consequences of her choice.
    So you are admitting, here, that having children and being a stay at home parent is a matter of penalties and consequences.

    My husband and I had children together - last I looked. What consequences is he dealing with for having children?

    Well - he was in the military and retired out medically with benefits - so he has people willing to jump through hoops to help him out because he's a disabled veteran. Him being in the military and deploying often is part of the reason why I became a stay at home parent.

    Now that he's out and *unable to work* I have to find employment to support the family because he can no longer do so. Grantid - I don't need to equal his pay. Heck, a job that pays $9.00/hr would be sufficient to fill in the financial gap of what his retirement pay does not cover.

    Only, I'm unable. I'm not a stay at home parent anymore - kids are all older - he's no longer in the military. We're an aging family now. But no one wants to hire someone who put country and family first for years. Oh they'll hire him in a heartbeat. But me? No.

    There's the imbalance: the social view - society doesn't value the stay at home parent or take us seriously as participants in society. Heck - even you said that it's an acceptable 'consequence' of having children and caring for them adequately.

    And further - do you really think stat at home dads are given the cold shoulder when returning to work? It would be interesting to see research on that because i have a feeling that they're not. Society's further jilt, here, is assuming men don't take on the at-home parenting responsibilities. Men aren't seen as 'parents' when they apply for a job. Women, by default, will be assumed to 'have kids' or will be 'potentially pregnant' in the near future - so we're always given a more critical eye and doubt.
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Women who are't even mom's are paid less than men, so I don't see the connection that we are all paid less because we leave work to take care of kids.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Women who are't even mom's are paid less than men, so I don't see the connection that we are all paid less because we leave work to take care of kids.
    A lot of employers will look at women as potential liabilities because of possible children in the future. "If I hire her - she'll have to take maternity leave / time off . . . can I accept that?" - Women are a risk in people's eyes no matter what.
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    No I see working in exchange for a paycheck requires work in exchange for a paycheck. I don't care how many hours you spend volunteering to your child or to Habitat for Humanity--you are volunteering. No employer should have to pay for that which they do not value any more than any person should be required to have surgery by a doctor who just took a decade off to home school their children and is looking to get back into the swing of a career.
    Employers actually do like to hear about volunteering and so forth - that does have value, especially if skills needed for said work would be an asset. Why is it that you think they don't?

    Interestingly enough - people hear "I've been a stay at home mother" and assume I do all sorts of stuff like volunteer for the PTA and do random child-related things.

    Want to hear what I have done?

    I run a publishing business - manufactured jewelry - am a freelance writer and copy-editor - I renovated a home and increased its value by 33% - I attended college fulltime and maintained a near perfect GPA. In the last year I wrote and published 2 novels.

    Stay at home does not equal 'being a nobody'. I've done more in my life in the last 10 years than most people will accomplish in their lifetime.

    But . . . standing in a checkout lane at the Piggly Wiggly somehow equates to being 'more important than all that'. Hell - if I could I'd volunteer to do that to just to have a 'real job' to put on my resume.
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Interestingly enough - people hear "I've been a stay at home mother" and assume I do all sorts of stuff like volunteer for the PTA and do random child-related things.
    And if employers thought that would help your value to the company, people with those experiences would have a premium. They typically don't - at least in most jobs. So, maybe the value you place on that does not match the value brought to an employer.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    And if employers thought that would help your value to the company, people with those experiences would have a premium. They typically don't - at least in most jobs. So, maybe the value you place on that does not match the value brought to an employer.
    Yes "Educated, intelligent, and capable of learning just about anything" means nothing. Must be male for this to mean something. [Sarcasm - btw. I don't actually believe that]
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    We've been over this before. You know what "natural" means in Thomist philosophy.
    Yes, the idea that women should be subservient to men and perform no other function but the raising of children, right? That women are of inferior intellect and reason? That philosophy?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Employers actually do like to hear about volunteering and so forth - that does have value, especially if skills needed for said work would be an asset. Why is it that you think they don't?

    Interestingly enough - people hear "I've been a stay at home mother" and assume I do all sorts of stuff like volunteer for the PTA and do random child-related things.

    Want to hear what I have done?

    I run a publishing business - manufactured jewelry - am a freelance writer and copy-editor - I renovated a home and increased its value by 33% - I attended college fulltime and maintained a near perfect GPA. In the last year I wrote and published 2 novels.

    Stay at home does not equal 'being a nobody'. I've done more in my life in the last 10 years than most people will accomplish in their lifetime.

    But . . . standing in a checkout lane at the Piggly Wiggly somehow equates to being 'more important than all that'. Hell - if I could I'd volunteer to do that to just to have a 'real job' to put on my resume.
    If an employer values your time siiting at home watching soap operas while pumping your milk, then that is great for you. America needs more dairy workers. If an employer does not, the employer should not be required to pay you for the time you spent that they do not value. Public policy should be oriented toward maximizing opportunity, not wasting resources compensating people for the unwanted results of their own decision.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, the idea that women should be subservient to men and perform no other function but the raising of children, right? That women are of inferior intellect and reason? That philosophy?
    No that's not what the word "natural" means.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    No that's not what the word "natural" means.
    Thomistic philosophy views women this way. Pick your heroes better.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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