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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Of course there are far more taxes than those on the income tax forms, which is why many don't realize just how much taxes have increased..

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Of course there are far more taxes than those on the income tax forms, which is why many don't realize just how much taxes have increased..
    Indeed, so will you show us those evil causes for making moms work?

    I will posit that it is more likely the fault of "the Jones's" which all feel the need to keep up with (coupled with inflation). What has increased is the "need" for larger homes, multiple vehicles (and other tech toys) and all manner of convenience and home entertainment products. It is not so much that the same personally purchased items cost more now, than they did in say 1950 or 1970, it is that we now "need" many more items of higher quality/capacity to be seen as middle class.


    Comparing the inflated cost of living today from 1950 to 2014: How declining purchasing power has hurt the middle class since 1950.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Pres. Obama was discussing having high quality day care/preschools available for people who need that for their children. THAT was totally lost in the original op.
    This is the quote from Obama:
    Sometimes, someone, usually mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make.
    This is about parents that have a choice of leaving the workplace. I don't know that single parents have much of a choice on the matter.

    I know life is tougher as a single parent. But is it tougher than having an abuser as one of the parents? And if conservatives so want two parent families, and if they think govt. should encourage that, then why did they fight so hard against same sex marriage?
    I did indicate that there are some parents that have no choice in the manner. However, again, those are the minority of single parent households. And, I also do not believe that two dads or two moms are near the ideal either.

    I definitely would NOT try to discourage single parents by giving them no day care/preschool options. That would be bad, mmmkay?
    No, but I would be willing to bet you would certainly encourage single parents by helping the government replace one of the parents (typically the father's role) as much as possible - including the government paying for day care when that really shouldn't be their role.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Through the cost of government.

    At one time an average man could afford to provide for a wife and family but those days are gone. The difference is the rise of the role of government in family life, the decline in personal responsibility, and the expectation by many that someone, somewhere, will somehow pay for these extra government services. The fact is that it is the middle class, the group central to social well being, who always pays. That is why the middle class is shrinking, the two parent family is becoming rarer, and social unrest growing.

    Ironically, the response by many has been to ask the government to do something about the problem.
    The cost of government is part of it...but it goes deeper than that.

    It is the liberal-dominated government that we've had for the last 50 years or so. Liberals have always tried to "change America". Obama even ran on that in 2008. Combine that with laws and regulations designed to increase government control and government responsibility and the result is a society that has given up the values of the 50's. The values that made people think it's important for a man to provide for his family and for a woman to make a home for him and their children.

    And, as you say, it is ironic...but it's not surprising...that now we expect the liberal government to correct the situation they brought about. Too many people now expect the government to fix stuff that they used to handle themselves.
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The only reason middle-class taxes haven't skyrocketed is because our government is content with operating at a deficit. If they actually collected the taxes necessary to fund our bloated government, EVERYONE...poor, middle-class and the rich...would see their taxes explode.

    But, of course, politicians won't raise the necessary funds and they can't resist spending.

    So it goes.
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Maybe he's making a commentary on how our society is inherently sexist as it is the expectation that the mother make such a sacrifice to stay home and raise the kids, while the father tends to be inexplicably immune from this expectation.
    What exactly is sexist about expecting the most common arrangement to be that which is most natural?

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    President Obama obviously misspeaks, and 140 plus posts later its still being debated…. Kind of pathetic.
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    What exactly is sexist about expecting the most common arrangement to be that which is most natural?
    The "most natural" would be a hunting and gathering society with no such thing as jobs at all.

    Why the **** would we want to regress to the idiocy that is "most natural"?
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    This is the quote from Obama:

    This is about parents that have a choice of leaving the workplace. I don't know that single parents have much of a choice on the matter.
    Actually, here is a fuller and more complete quote
    Too often parents have no choice but to put their kids in cheaper day care that maybe doesn’t have the kinds of programming that makes a big difference in a child’s development. Sometimes, someone, usually Mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. That’s not a choice we want Americans to make.
    emphasis mine

    He is not saying he doesn't want americans to choose to stay home. He's saying the choice should not be between cheap and inadequate day care or stop working and stay home to take care of the children
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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, here is a fuller and more complete quote


    emphasis mine

    He is not saying he doesn't want americans to choose to stay home. He's saying the choice should not be between cheap and inadequate day care or stop working and stay home to take care of the children
    Anyone with even an ounce of intellectual honesty can see that, but that does exclude some hacks of course. Day care is insanely expensive in many cities. When we had our son in daycare from 2000 - 2005 or so, for a good Montessori Day School, it was a little over 800 dollars a month. That is nearly 10 grand a year until your kid is old enough to be in kindergarten (and even then you still have after school care and here in JoCo Kansas, another 300 dollars a month for all day kindergarten).
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