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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Americans wouldn't have to make that choice if the government didn't cause Mom to have to be in the workplace...in the first place.

    Thanks to almost a hundred years of liberals changing our society, Moms have no choice...they have to work. So what is the liberal solution?...more nanny state.

    Obama...the sooner you and your ilk are gone, the better.
    I'm not sure where you come up with this idea that government forces Mom to work?

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    But that in itself is a problem. They are even unwilling to recognize any experience that women do gain by staying home with their children, especially in jobs where the pay is based on experience but experience at home could easily transfer if they would actually look at it.
    If it were directly relatable experience, an employer would pay for that experience. In almost all cases, it isn't - which is why the employers are not placing a premium on that experience.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    For those of you extolling having a parent stay at home with the children - assuming they are a good parent, that is great for the kids.
    I agree. Certainly not an option for single parents. However, one, that is not what Obama was discussing in the original quote. Two, the government should, at the very least, not encourage single parents and should try to discourage, as much as possible - as it is not the ideal situation. Of course there are single parents that are single parents through no fault of their own. That is a minority of the issue, though.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Americans wouldn't have to make that choice if the government didn't cause Mom to have to be in the workplace...in the first place.

    Thanks to almost a hundred years of liberals changing our society, Moms have no choice...they have to work. So what is the liberal solution?...more nanny state.

    Obama...the sooner you and your ilk are gone, the better.
    How, exactly, did the government cause mom's to need to work outside of the home?
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    Re: Obama on Moms Who Stay Home to Raise Kids: 'That's Not a Choice We Want Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    While I editorialized the title of this thread, here's what was said:

    "Sometimes, someone, usually mom, leaves the workplace to stay home with the kids, which then leaves her earning a lower wage for the rest of her life as a result. And that’s not a choice we want Americans to make."

    Obama on Moms Who Stay Home to Raise Kids: 'That's Not a Choice We Want Americans to Make' | The Weekly Standard

    Now, what I would hope what he meant to say was something like "...that's not a choice we want Americans TO HAVE to make...", that's simply not what he actually said.
    In fact, staying home with the kids IS a choice we WANT people to make. Instead of handing them off to the govt to raise in govt schools. We also want them to CHOOSE to be able to afford to stay home BEFORE they have children, not after, when they need ME to pay for it.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    How, exactly, did the government cause mom's to need to work outside of the home?
    Through the cost of government.

    At one time an average man could afford to provide for a wife and family but those days are gone. The difference is the rise of the role of government in family life, the decline in personal responsibility, and the expectation by many that someone, somewhere, will somehow pay for these extra government services. The fact is that it is the middle class, the group central to social well being, who always pays. That is why the middle class is shrinking, the two parent family is becoming rarer, and social unrest growing.

    Ironically, the response by many has been to ask the government to do something about the problem.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I agree. Certainly not an option for single parents. However, one, that is not what Obama was discussing in the original quote. Two, the government should, at the very least, not encourage single parents and should try to discourage, as much as possible - as it is not the ideal situation. Of course there are single parents that are single parents through no fault of their own. That is a minority of the issue, though.

    Pres. Obama was discussing having high quality day care/preschools available for people who need that for their children. THAT was totally lost in the original op.

    I know life is tougher as a single parent. But is it tougher than having an abuser as one of the parents? And if conservatives so want two parent families, and if they think govt. should encourage that, then why did they fight so hard against same sex marriage?

    I definitely would NOT try to discourage single parents by giving them no day care/preschool options. That would be bad, mmmkay?

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Through the cost of government.

    At one time an average man could afford to provide for a wife and family but those days are gone. The difference is the rise of the role of government in family life, the decline in personal responsibility, and the expectation by many that someone, somewhere, will somehow pay for these extra government services. The fact is that it is the middle class, the group central to social well being, who always pays. That is why the middle class is shrinking, the two parent family is becoming rarer, and social unrest growing.

    Ironically, the response by many has been to ask the government to do something about the problem.
    Um, the cost of govt is NOT why families with single breadwinners are struggling. Check into Income Inequality, wage stagnation and such. The govt. didn't cause it. Decline of strong labor unions and the growing income gap caused it.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Through the cost of government.

    At one time an average man could afford to provide for a wife and family but those days are gone. The difference is the rise of the role of government in family life, the decline in personal responsibility, and the expectation by many that someone, somewhere, will somehow pay for these extra government services. The fact is that it is the middle class, the group central to social well being, who always pays. That is why the middle class is shrinking, the two parent family is becoming rarer, and social unrest growing.

    Ironically, the response by many has been to ask the government to do something about the problem.
    That (bolded above) assertion needs some facts to back it up.

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    Re: Obama doesn't want Moms staying home to raise their kids. Wants the state to do i

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Um, the cost of govt is NOT why families with single breadwinners are struggling. Check into Income Inequality, wage stagnation and such. The govt. didn't cause it. Decline of strong labor unions and the growing income gap caused it.
    Do you feel it is government's role to judge 'income equality'? 'Wage stagnation'? Have they ever demonstrated any success in these areas?

    Labor unions certainly served a purpose at one time but the law also now plays a role in worker safety and rights.

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