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Crowd Begins to File Out While Obama Speaks in Wisconsin

I would imagine we have two years more of the same. Although If the GOP did win the senate and convincingly win it. I mean pick up 8-10 seats and turn a 55-45 minority into a 55-45 majority. Perhaps the president might finally decide to reachout across the aisle ala Clinton did, Reagan did to O'Neal etc. Nah, just day dreaming.

Yeah - that's not who I think he is. Would love to be proven wrong, but.....
 
I would imagine we have two years more of the same. Although If the GOP did win the senate and convincingly win it. I mean pick up 8-10 seats and turn a 55-45 minority into a 55-45 majority. Perhaps the president might finally decide to reachout across the aisle ala Clinton did, Reagan did to O'Neal etc. Nah, just day dreaming.

That's a dream, alright. Doing what's good for the country has never crossed this bastard's mind. He hates this country, as it is.
 
Just got the notification today that the health care premiums for our small business and our employees will go up another 20 percent........I guess that's what happens when a country elects a community organizer simply because he is half black. Thanks millenials........don't bother to respond from grandma's basement.........worry about the $150,000 in student loans you will never be able to repay..........LOL at you fools.
 
I would imagine we have two years more of the same. Although If the GOP did win the senate and convincingly win it. I mean pick up 8-10 seats and turn a 55-45 minority into a 55-45 majority. Perhaps the president might finally decide to reachout across the aisle ala Clinton did, Reagan did to O'Neal etc. Nah, just day dreaming.

That is laughable. The GOP is not trying to work with the President and you know it. All the Repubs are scared to even be seen shaking his hand because they will be labeled a RINO. But I'm sure you guys are smart enough to realize this right?

By the way this house is one of the worst in history. Boehner is no O'Neal. This congress will be horrible long after Obama. I don't understand why you guys think this congress is normal.
 
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Yesterday the video came out of four black men dumping on Obama and the DNC and at the same time yet another crowd of mostly blacks start walking out in the middle of his speech. This guy has made everyone hate him. Hope and change is now screw this clown.

"As President Obama spoke this evening in Wisconsin, the crowd began to file out. Here's video that captures some folks leaving, even as Obama's voice can be heard in the background:"

Crowd Begins to File Out While Obama Speaks in Wisconsin | The Weekly Standard

but they would vote for him again in a heart beat
 
That is laughable. The GOP is not trying to work with the President and you know it. All the Repubs are scared to even be seen shaking his hand because they will be labeled a RINO. But I'm sure you guys are smart enough to realize this right?

By the way this house is one of the worst in history. Boehner is no O'Neal. This congress will be horrible long after Obama. I don't understand why you guys think this congress is normal.

What successful president's did the day after they took office is reach across the aisle to find someone they could work with. Eisenhower did so with LBJ who was then Senate Majority Leader. JFK and LBJ reached across to Everit Dirksen, then senate minority leader. Reagan and O'Neal, Clinton continuing calling Republicans all the time. This president didn't do that, during his first two years he didn't need to. He really didn't need one Republican vote and perhaps that set the tone. By the way, it is the president who reaches across first, not the other side regardless of party.

As for this congress, I agree, it is not normal. It is the most divided ideological that we ever had. By that I mean the difference in ideology between the House, far right and the Senate far left. Here, read this:

The House And Senate Are the Most Divided They’ve Been in Our Lifetimes | FiveThirtyEight

There is a very good reason for this, the huge divide in congress. For the first time in modern political history we had two sea change or sea tide elections almost back to back. The first one happened in 2006 when the Democrats took control of congress. The Republicans that year lost 6 senate seats and 33 house seats, most of the Republicans the Democrats beat were moderate Republicans as is normally the case. Then in 2010 the Republicans won back the House, winning 63 Democratic seats, a lot of those seats went to tea party members at the expense of what was termed blue dog Democrats, moderate Democrats and the GOP also picked up 6 senate seats with the same ideological results. Thus we have what we have. A far right house, a far left senate with no compromise or give and take in either. Those members who facilitated compromise are gone. Only the hard core remain.

there are other reasons, but two sea change election basically in a row deleted the moderates from congress.
 
What successful president's did the day after they took office is reach across the aisle to find someone they could work with. Eisenhower did so with LBJ who was then Senate Majority Leader. JFK and LBJ reached across to Everit Dirksen, then senate minority leader. Reagan and O'Neal, Clinton continuing calling Republicans all the time. This president didn't do that, during his first two years he didn't need to. He really didn't need one Republican vote and perhaps that set the tone. By the way, it is the president who reaches across first, not the other side regardless of party.

As for this congress, I agree, it is not normal. It is the most divided ideological that we ever had. By that I mean the difference in ideology between the House, far right and the Senate far left. Here, read this:

The House And Senate Are the Most Divided They’ve Been in Our Lifetimes | FiveThirtyEight

There is a very good reason for this, the huge divide in congress. For the first time in modern political history we had two sea change or sea tide elections almost back to back. The first one happened in 2006 when the Democrats took control of congress. The Republicans that year lost 6 senate seats and 33 house seats, most of the Republicans the Democrats beat were moderate Republicans as is normally the case. Then in 2010 the Republicans won back the House, winning 63 Democratic seats, a lot of those seats went to tea party members at the expense of what was termed blue dog Democrats, moderate Democrats and the GOP also picked up 6 senate seats with the same ideological results. Thus we have what we have. A far right house, a far left senate with no compromise or give and take in either. Those members who facilitated compromise are gone. Only the hard core remain.

there are other reasons, but two sea change election basically in a row deleted the moderates from congress.


His first term he tried to to reach out to republicans, but the more moderate GOP were terrify to even be seen walking near the President. The Tea Party turn into a Political hit squad purdging all moderates from the party. Thats why a number of long term serving republicans left office. Also, Remember Boehner talking about he got 99% of what he wanted? He couldn't have got that without Obama convincing the Democrats to come along. Most of the Bush tax cuts stayed intact. In fact many of the democratic leaders were getting piss off at him because they felt he was caving too much to the republicans.

By the way, it was the right that campaign on "compromise was a dirty word". That was the battle cry in 2010. So how do you reach out to someone who wants to cut your hands off at the first opportunity.
 
Am I the only one who saw people simply walking? Not sure if they are leaving or late arrivals but that video in the op doesn't show anyone actually leaving only walking in front of some bleachers.
 
His first term he tried to to reach out to republicans, but the more moderate GOP were terrify to even be seen walking near the President.

When? Hell, the President doesn't even do a good job of reaching out to Democrats.

During his first Term the President invited the Republicans who wanted to work with them to what he led them to believe was going to be the speech where he adopted the Simpson-Bowles recommendations and used that as a springboard to show how he was the moderate, and they needed to work with him, etc,. and instead turned it into a diatribe where he accused them of wanting to kill off children with downs syndrome and everybody's Grandmother. At no point am I aware of any major effort by the President to work with Republicans.
 
His first term he tried to to reach out to republicans, but the more moderate GOP were terrify to even be seen walking near the President. The Tea Party turn into a Political hit squad purdging all moderates from the party. Thats why a number of long term serving republicans left office. Also, Remember Boehner talking about he got 99% of what he wanted? He couldn't have got that without Obama convincing the Democrats to come along. Most of the Bush tax cuts stayed intact. In fact many of the democratic leaders were getting piss off at him because they felt he was caving too much to the republicans.

By the way, it was the right that campaign on "compromise was a dirty word". That was the battle cry in 2010. So how do you reach out to someone who wants to cut your hands off at the first opportunity.

The battle cry for 2010 was basically the ACA or variants caused by the ACA. The electorate was peeved at being ignored and told their wishes didn't matter. The electorate was promised the economy and jobs were be priority number one, health care took that position and the administration was seen as not really caring about the economy and jobs.

Personally I did not see any compromise at all coming from the white house in 2009 and 10. I saw a president that turned domestic policy over to Pelosi and Reid and told them to have at it. The only compromise I saw occurred in December of 2010 during the lame duck session where each party got something, DADT was repealed, START was approved along with an extension of the Bush tax cuts.

I also personally think if there was no ACA to cause the voter backlash of 2010 the Democrats would still be in charge of the House. That you would be looking at a more productive Obama term/s than the gridlock we have now. In my opinion it all started with the ACA and since its passage the Democrats have been way too busy protecting and defending it to get much else done.

Here thanks to RCP are the polls, quite a lot of them from different polling firms on whether the American public wanted the ACA or were opposed to it. Even today, the majority of Americans are opposed to it, in my view that is where all of this started.

Below are the polls thanks to RCP of public opinion on the ACA when the Senate passed it in November of 2009
CNN/Opinion Research 12/2-12/3 36% for 61% Against/Oppose +25
Rasmussen Reports 11/29 - 11/29 41% for 53% Against/Oppose +12
Gallup 11/20-11/22 44% for 49% Against/Oppose +5
Ipsos/McClatchy 11/19 - 11/22 34% for 46% Against/Oppose +12
Rasmussen Reports 11/21 - 11/22 38% for 56% Against/Oppose +18
FOX News 11/17 - 11/18 35% for 51% Against/Oppose +16
PPP (D) 11/13 - 11/15 40% for 52% Against/Oppose +12

Below are the polls thanks to RCP of public opinion on the ACA when the House passed it in March of 2010
Bloomberg 3/19 - 3/22 38% for 50% Against/Oppose +12
CNN/Opinion Research 3/19 - 3/21 39% for 59% Against/Oppose +20
CBS News 3/18 - 3/21 37% for 48% Against/Oppose +11
Rasmussen Reports 3/19 - 3/20 41% for 54% Against/Oppose +13
Quinnipiac 3/16 - 3/21 36% for 54% Against/Oppose +18
Democracy Corps (D) 3/15 - 3/18 40% for 52% Against/Oppose +12
FOX News 3/16 - 3/17 35% 55% Against/Oppose +20
 
When? Hell, the President doesn't even do a good job of reaching out to Democrats.

During his first Term the President invited the Republicans who wanted to work with them to what he led them to believe was going to be the speech where he adopted the Simpson-Bowles recommendations and used that as a springboard to show how he was the moderate, and they needed to work with him, etc,. and instead turned it into a diatribe where he accused them of wanting to kill off children with downs syndrome and everybody's Grandmother. At no point am I aware of any major effort by the President to work with Republicans.

You do know that the republican led house voted Simpson-Bowles down right?

If he didn't work with republicans, what was Boehner talking about when he said that he got 99% of what he wanted? Obama caved into GOP Debt Ceiling demands on the first time around, breaking his pledge to end the Bush tax cuts. The GOP try it a second time and it blew up in GOP face. I don't care what side is President, The debt ceiling should not be use as a political weapon.

Also, if he wasn't trying to work with republicans, how did we end up with Romneycare instead of a single payer system? Most democrats didn't like the ACA. but Obama, Reid, and Poloeski worked hard to get them to vote on it. What was amusing/frustrating is that the law was made pretty toothless to satisfy demands from the GOP, and then after they got what they wanted, they voted against it anyway.
 
Am I the only one who saw people simply walking? Not sure if they are leaving or late arrivals but that video in the op doesn't show anyone actually leaving only walking in front of some bleachers.

I wouldn't be surprise if these people were not planted as well. Think about it. Would you come and see somebody speak if you were tired and frustrated with them? Trust me, I know my people. If we are the slightest not interested, we are not going. I wouldn't be surprise if this was planned to get TV coverage.
 
Am I the only one who saw people simply walking? Not sure if they are leaving or late arrivals but that video in the op doesn't show anyone actually leaving only walking in front of some bleachers.

They could be late arrivals, stretching their legs, going to the bathroom, getting a beer, going back to their seats. But you can make a video say just about anything you want it to say.

Yup, it's election season.

Yesterday the video came out of four black men dumping on Obama and the DNC and at the same time yet another crowd of mostly blacks start walking out in the middle of his speech. This guy has made everyone hate him. Hope and change is now screw this clown.

"As President Obama spoke this evening in Wisconsin, the crowd began to file out. Here's video that captures some folks leaving, even as Obama's voice can be heard in the background:"

Crowd Begins to File Out While Obama Speaks in Wisconsin | The Weekly Standard

A dozen people idling at the far back of the auditorium = crowd running away from Obama.

Lulz.
 
I wouldn't be surprise if these people were not planted as well. Think about it. Would you come and see somebody speak if you were tired and frustrated with them? Trust me, I know my people. If we are the slightest not interested, we are not going. I wouldn't be surprise if this was planned to get TV coverage.

No, I wouldn't.
 
You do know that the republican led house voted Simpson-Bowles down right?

The GOP led house voted for their own plan for reducing our debt and fixing the entitlements. Then Simpson-Bowles came out with their plan. Then the President, instead of adopting his own commissions plan as a starting point or a touchstone for negotiations, instead started his reelection campaign with an ugly class-warfare attack.

However, it was the Democrats who declared Simpson-Bowles "DOA"

Pelosi, political left rip proposal from Debt Commission

If he didn't work with republicans, what was Boehner talking about when he said that he got 99% of what he wanted?

He was trying to assuage his base. However, if you are scoring "the government didn't shut down" as "people working together", then the GOP gets just as much credit as the Democrats do for that incredibly short bar.

Obama caved into GOP Debt Ceiling demands on the first time around, breaking his pledge to end the Bush tax cuts. The GOP try it a second time and it blew up in GOP face. I don't care what side is President, The debt ceiling should not be use as a political weapon.

:shrug: at worst it forces us to close down the non-critical functions of the government for a while. US Debt is always paid, regardless.

Also, if he wasn't trying to work with republicans, how did we end up with Romneycare instead of a single payer system?

Because Democrats couldn't pass a single-payer system. It didn't have enough support from the Democrats who were voting on the measures. Republicans weren't brought into the negotiations and had no input into Obamacare. It would have been ridiculously easy to put in some language that would have peeled off one of the moderates in the Senate - a Snow or some such. But Democrats didn't want to do that, and so they pushed the most-left program they could possibly get past the yardline. Failing to convince Joe Lieberman et. al. to support a public option does not count as "reaching out to Republicans".

Most democrats didn't like the ACA. but Obama, Reid, and Poloeski worked hard to get them to vote on it. What was amusing/frustrating is that the law was made pretty toothless to satisfy demands from the GOP, and then after they got what they wanted, they voted against it anyway.

:lamo where? Where did they ever change the law due to demands by the GOP? :lol: The ACA was negotiated 100% between Democrats and passed by Democrats.


Man, is this what you people really tell yourselves?
 
Yesterday the video came out of four black men dumping on Obama and the DNC and at the same time yet another crowd of mostly blacks start walking out in the middle of his speech. This guy has made everyone hate him. Hope and change is now screw this clown.

"As President Obama spoke this evening in Wisconsin, the crowd began to file out. Here's video that captures some folks leaving, even as Obama's voice can be heard in the background:"

Crowd Begins to File Out While Obama Speaks in Wisconsin | The Weekly Standard

Can't blame em. Not many people like the smell of shovelled bull****.
 
Am I the only one who saw people simply walking? Not sure if they are leaving or late arrivals but that video in the op doesn't show anyone actually leaving only walking in front of some bleachers.

You saw what you wanted to see and ignored what the reporter reported
 
They could be late arrivals, stretching their legs, going to the bathroom, getting a beer, going back to their seats. But you can make a video say just about anything you want it to say.

Yup, it's election season.



A dozen people idling at the far back of the auditorium = crowd running away from Obama.

Lulz.

The crowd was subdued and as you said people idled at the back of the room and then walked out.Try as you might you just can't put a good spin on that
 
The crowd was subdued and as you said people idled at the back of the room and then walked out.Try as you might you just can't put a good spin on that

The video doesn't support your position.
 
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