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    Re: Crowd Begins to File Out While Obama Speaks in Wisconsin


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    Re: Crowd Begins to File Out While Obama Speaks in Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I would imagine we have two years more of the same. Although If the GOP did win the senate and convincingly win it. I mean pick up 8-10 seats and turn a 55-45 minority into a 55-45 majority. Perhaps the president might finally decide to reachout across the aisle ala Clinton did, Reagan did to O'Neal etc. Nah, just day dreaming.
    That is laughable. The GOP is not trying to work with the President and you know it. All the Repubs are scared to even be seen shaking his hand because they will be labeled a RINO. But I'm sure you guys are smart enough to realize this right?

    By the way this house is one of the worst in history. Boehner is no O'Neal. This congress will be horrible long after Obama. I don't understand why you guys think this congress is normal.
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    Re: Crowd Begins to File Out While Obama Speaks in Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    Yesterday the video came out of four black men dumping on Obama and the DNC and at the same time yet another crowd of mostly blacks start walking out in the middle of his speech. This guy has made everyone hate him. Hope and change is now screw this clown.

    "As President Obama spoke this evening in Wisconsin, the crowd began to file out. Here's video that captures some folks leaving, even as Obama's voice can be heard in the background:"

    Crowd Begins to File Out While Obama Speaks in Wisconsin | The Weekly Standard
    but they would vote for him again in a heart beat

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    Re: Crowd Begins to File Out While Obama Speaks in Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    That is laughable. The GOP is not trying to work with the President and you know it. All the Repubs are scared to even be seen shaking his hand because they will be labeled a RINO. But I'm sure you guys are smart enough to realize this right?

    By the way this house is one of the worst in history. Boehner is no O'Neal. This congress will be horrible long after Obama. I don't understand why you guys think this congress is normal.
    What successful president's did the day after they took office is reach across the aisle to find someone they could work with. Eisenhower did so with LBJ who was then Senate Majority Leader. JFK and LBJ reached across to Everit Dirksen, then senate minority leader. Reagan and O'Neal, Clinton continuing calling Republicans all the time. This president didn't do that, during his first two years he didn't need to. He really didn't need one Republican vote and perhaps that set the tone. By the way, it is the president who reaches across first, not the other side regardless of party.

    As for this congress, I agree, it is not normal. It is the most divided ideological that we ever had. By that I mean the difference in ideology between the House, far right and the Senate far left. Here, read this:

    The House And Senate Are the Most Divided They’ve Been in Our Lifetimes | FiveThirtyEight

    There is a very good reason for this, the huge divide in congress. For the first time in modern political history we had two sea change or sea tide elections almost back to back. The first one happened in 2006 when the Democrats took control of congress. The Republicans that year lost 6 senate seats and 33 house seats, most of the Republicans the Democrats beat were moderate Republicans as is normally the case. Then in 2010 the Republicans won back the House, winning 63 Democratic seats, a lot of those seats went to tea party members at the expense of what was termed blue dog Democrats, moderate Democrats and the GOP also picked up 6 senate seats with the same ideological results. Thus we have what we have. A far right house, a far left senate with no compromise or give and take in either. Those members who facilitated compromise are gone. Only the hard core remain.

    there are other reasons, but two sea change election basically in a row deleted the moderates from congress.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Crowd Begins to File Out While Obama Speaks in Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by fishinRod View Post
    but they would vote for him again in a heart beat
    I don't think so.They appear to be out of the trance.

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    Re: Crowd Begins to File Out While Obama Speaks in Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    What successful president's did the day after they took office is reach across the aisle to find someone they could work with. Eisenhower did so with LBJ who was then Senate Majority Leader. JFK and LBJ reached across to Everit Dirksen, then senate minority leader. Reagan and O'Neal, Clinton continuing calling Republicans all the time. This president didn't do that, during his first two years he didn't need to. He really didn't need one Republican vote and perhaps that set the tone. By the way, it is the president who reaches across first, not the other side regardless of party.

    As for this congress, I agree, it is not normal. It is the most divided ideological that we ever had. By that I mean the difference in ideology between the House, far right and the Senate far left. Here, read this:

    The House And Senate Are the Most Divided They’ve Been in Our Lifetimes | FiveThirtyEight

    There is a very good reason for this, the huge divide in congress. For the first time in modern political history we had two sea change or sea tide elections almost back to back. The first one happened in 2006 when the Democrats took control of congress. The Republicans that year lost 6 senate seats and 33 house seats, most of the Republicans the Democrats beat were moderate Republicans as is normally the case. Then in 2010 the Republicans won back the House, winning 63 Democratic seats, a lot of those seats went to tea party members at the expense of what was termed blue dog Democrats, moderate Democrats and the GOP also picked up 6 senate seats with the same ideological results. Thus we have what we have. A far right house, a far left senate with no compromise or give and take in either. Those members who facilitated compromise are gone. Only the hard core remain.

    there are other reasons, but two sea change election basically in a row deleted the moderates from congress.

    His first term he tried to to reach out to republicans, but the more moderate GOP were terrify to even be seen walking near the President. The Tea Party turn into a Political hit squad purdging all moderates from the party. Thats why a number of long term serving republicans left office. Also, Remember Boehner talking about he got 99% of what he wanted? He couldn't have got that without Obama convincing the Democrats to come along. Most of the Bush tax cuts stayed intact. In fact many of the democratic leaders were getting piss off at him because they felt he was caving too much to the republicans.

    By the way, it was the right that campaign on "compromise was a dirty word". That was the battle cry in 2010. So how do you reach out to someone who wants to cut your hands off at the first opportunity.

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    Re: Crowd Begins to File Out While Obama Speaks in Wisconsin

    Am I the only one who saw people simply walking? Not sure if they are leaving or late arrivals but that video in the op doesn't show anyone actually leaving only walking in front of some bleachers.
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    Re: Crowd Begins to File Out While Obama Speaks in Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    His first term he tried to to reach out to republicans, but the more moderate GOP were terrify to even be seen walking near the President.
    When? Hell, the President doesn't even do a good job of reaching out to Democrats.

    During his first Term the President invited the Republicans who wanted to work with them to what he led them to believe was going to be the speech where he adopted the Simpson-Bowles recommendations and used that as a springboard to show how he was the moderate, and they needed to work with him, etc,. and instead turned it into a diatribe where he accused them of wanting to kill off children with downs syndrome and everybody's Grandmother. At no point am I aware of any major effort by the President to work with Republicans.

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    Re: Crowd Begins to File Out While Obama Speaks in Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    His first term he tried to to reach out to republicans, but the more moderate GOP were terrify to even be seen walking near the President. The Tea Party turn into a Political hit squad purdging all moderates from the party. Thats why a number of long term serving republicans left office. Also, Remember Boehner talking about he got 99% of what he wanted? He couldn't have got that without Obama convincing the Democrats to come along. Most of the Bush tax cuts stayed intact. In fact many of the democratic leaders were getting piss off at him because they felt he was caving too much to the republicans.

    By the way, it was the right that campaign on "compromise was a dirty word". That was the battle cry in 2010. So how do you reach out to someone who wants to cut your hands off at the first opportunity.
    The battle cry for 2010 was basically the ACA or variants caused by the ACA. The electorate was peeved at being ignored and told their wishes didn't matter. The electorate was promised the economy and jobs were be priority number one, health care took that position and the administration was seen as not really caring about the economy and jobs.

    Personally I did not see any compromise at all coming from the white house in 2009 and 10. I saw a president that turned domestic policy over to Pelosi and Reid and told them to have at it. The only compromise I saw occurred in December of 2010 during the lame duck session where each party got something, DADT was repealed, START was approved along with an extension of the Bush tax cuts.

    I also personally think if there was no ACA to cause the voter backlash of 2010 the Democrats would still be in charge of the House. That you would be looking at a more productive Obama term/s than the gridlock we have now. In my opinion it all started with the ACA and since its passage the Democrats have been way too busy protecting and defending it to get much else done.

    Here thanks to RCP are the polls, quite a lot of them from different polling firms on whether the American public wanted the ACA or were opposed to it. Even today, the majority of Americans are opposed to it, in my view that is where all of this started.

    Below are the polls thanks to RCP of public opinion on the ACA when the Senate passed it in November of 2009
    CNN/Opinion Research 12/2-12/3 36% for 61% Against/Oppose +25
    Rasmussen Reports 11/29 - 11/29 41% for 53% Against/Oppose +12
    Gallup 11/20-11/22 44% for 49% Against/Oppose +5
    Ipsos/McClatchy 11/19 - 11/22 34% for 46% Against/Oppose +12
    Rasmussen Reports 11/21 - 11/22 38% for 56% Against/Oppose +18
    FOX News 11/17 - 11/18 35% for 51% Against/Oppose +16
    PPP (D) 11/13 - 11/15 40% for 52% Against/Oppose +12

    Below are the polls thanks to RCP of public opinion on the ACA when the House passed it in March of 2010
    Bloomberg 3/19 - 3/22 38% for 50% Against/Oppose +12
    CNN/Opinion Research 3/19 - 3/21 39% for 59% Against/Oppose +20
    CBS News 3/18 - 3/21 37% for 48% Against/Oppose +11
    Rasmussen Reports 3/19 - 3/20 41% for 54% Against/Oppose +13
    Quinnipiac 3/16 - 3/21 36% for 54% Against/Oppose +18
    Democracy Corps (D) 3/15 - 3/18 40% for 52% Against/Oppose +12
    FOX News 3/16 - 3/17 35% 55% Against/Oppose +20

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    Re: Crowd Begins to File Out While Obama Speaks in Wisconsin

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    When? Hell, the President doesn't even do a good job of reaching out to Democrats.

    During his first Term the President invited the Republicans who wanted to work with them to what he led them to believe was going to be the speech where he adopted the Simpson-Bowles recommendations and used that as a springboard to show how he was the moderate, and they needed to work with him, etc,. and instead turned it into a diatribe where he accused them of wanting to kill off children with downs syndrome and everybody's Grandmother. At no point am I aware of any major effort by the President to work with Republicans.
    You do know that the republican led house voted Simpson-Bowles down right?

    If he didn't work with republicans, what was Boehner talking about when he said that he got 99% of what he wanted? Obama caved into GOP Debt Ceiling demands on the first time around, breaking his pledge to end the Bush tax cuts. The GOP try it a second time and it blew up in GOP face. I don't care what side is President, The debt ceiling should not be use as a political weapon.

    Also, if he wasn't trying to work with republicans, how did we end up with Romneycare instead of a single payer system? Most democrats didn't like the ACA. but Obama, Reid, and Poloeski worked hard to get them to vote on it. What was amusing/frustrating is that the law was made pretty toothless to satisfy demands from the GOP, and then after they got what they wanted, they voted against it anyway.

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