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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Revering them as Gods? Do you have a link, or is this just more leftist hyperbole?
    I don't think anyone, including the founding fathers, considered revering them as Gods..........more like great and courageous men who created the greatest government the world has ever seen......a beacon of light for the rest of the world. That's why most of the world would immigrate to the US if they could.

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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Revering them as Gods? Do you have a link, or is this just more leftist hyperbole?
    I think you are smart enough to know hyperbole when you see it. The point is, many on the Right consider it borderline blasphemy to be critical of the Founders in any way.
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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I think you are smart enough to know hyperbole when you see it. The point is, many on the Right consider it borderline blasphemy to be critical of the Founders in any way.
    No, i don't go along with the idea that they were Gods or 'borderline' blasphemy' to be critical of them.

    But if we are to be critical shouldn't we be looking at their work and what they did for their country and the dangers they faced while doing it?

    What's happened, in the celebrity environment of today, is to judge people quite apart from their world and accomplishments but, as others have pointed out, judged them by today's 'feelings'. Everyone is going to come up short using these measurements and the US, as well as any other country, will have no heroes to admire, to inspire those behind them.

    We see people of great personal accomplishment who, like MLK or JFK, are charged with being womanizers. Perhaps Jonas Salk was quick tempered, Dwight Eisenhower persistently late for appointments, and so on, I don't know or care. But let's spend more time on the deeds they've done, the accomplishments they've made. If students want to learn more of the minutiae of these people lives as they progress through their education they can easily do so. Magazines like Confidential or People seem to have encouraged a generation to bring people down to their own level rather than inspire them to greater things. A country with no heroes is a sad place to live.

    The Communists would use this propaganda (and many Leftists still buy into it) and now Islamists will do the same. We should be sophisticated enough to understand this old game and not allow it to happen.

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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    if we are to be critical shouldn't we be looking at their work and what they did for their country and the dangers they faced while doing it?
    We already do that in history class. And we go above and beyond reverence with holidays like President's Day.

    What's happened, in the celebrity environment of today, is to judge people quite apart from their world and accomplishments but, as others have pointed out, judged them by today's 'feelings'.Everyone is going to come up short using these measurements and the US, as well as any other country, will have no heroes to admire, to inspire those behind them.
    You can be inspired by someone while acknowledging their faults. George Washington was a great leader, thinker, and showed humility by declining a third term in office. At the same time, he owned slaves. Yes, it should be discussed within the context of the times, but do you really think that kind of fact should be ignored?

    But let's spend more time on the deeds they've done, the accomplishments they've made.
    We already do.

    A country with no heroes is a sad place to live.
    And a country where its leaders can do no wrong can be a dangerous one.



    The Communists would use this propaganda
    The Communists (particularly in North Korea) use propaganda to make their leaders out to be perfect human beings if not gods. People like Navy Pride want to put the Founding Fathers on a pedestal that is not far off from what those dictatorships do.
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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    We already do that in history class. And we go above and beyond reverence with holidays like President's Day.
    Which was formerly Washington's Birthday. That mediocre Presidents should share the same holiday as the first US President suggests changes are happening in American schools and the people who contributed so much to its founding are being trivialized..
    You can be inspired by someone while acknowledging their faults.
    Yes, but the faults, like gossip, can be exaggerated to the point where they become more important than the greatness which was achieved, as though they should have shared billing.
    George Washington was a great leader, thinker, and showed humility by declining a third term in office. At the same time, he owned slaves. Yes, it should be discussed within the context of the times, but do you really think that kind of fact should be ignored?
    What is being taught about George Washington and his attitude to his slaves? Did he treat them kindly? Did he rescue them from worse slave owners? How deeply does the subject get into the slave trade and how it effected the American people of the day? Unless an important topic like this is discussed at much greater length I don't see the point in mentioning the subject at all, if the subject is George Washington and his importance to American history.
    And a country where its leaders can do no wrong can be a dangerous one.
    And George Washington did lose occasionally, and it should be mentioned. I have not suggested that any leader can 'do no wrong', and I would not encourage that idea. But is it necessary to mention MLK was a womanizer, or a suspected Communist? Why not study people like Washington, King, Kennedy or Lincoln in the context of their historical importance?
    The Communists (particularly in North Korea) use propaganda to make their leaders out to be perfect human beings if not gods. People like Navy Pride want to put the Founding Fathers on a pedestal that is not far off from what those dictatorships do.
    What the communists did, and did well, was to denigrate all Americans and their history through unlimited propaganda, and it worked. It's a little disappointing to see Americans themselves continuing along the same path.

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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Which was formerly Washington's Birthday. That mediocre Presidents should share the same holiday as the first US President suggests changes are happening in American schools and the people who contributed so much to its founding are being trivialized..
    That's absurd. The change was to also honor Lincoln, whose birthday was Feb. 12.

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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    That's absurd. The change was to also honor Lincoln, whose birthday was Feb. 12.
    A generic Presidents Day to honor Lincoln?

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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    A generic Presidents Day to honor Lincoln?
    It was combining Washington and Lincoln into one holiday. Yeesh.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It was combining Washington and Lincoln into one holiday. Yeesh.
    So it is a generic President's Day to honor Washington and Lincoln, neither of whom are mentioned? Great stuff!

    You bought that, huh?

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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So it is a generic President's Day to honor Washington and Lincoln, neither of whom are mentioned? Great stuff!

    You bought that, huh?
    Yeah, the REAL reason was to take the focus off the founders. Part of the great progressive plot to create another day of sales at Walmart.

    The idea that Washington's Birthday became President's Day as some sort of nefarious attempt at historical revisionism is laughably preposterous.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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