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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Private investors care more about the short term bottom line than they do for the long term ramifications that studies like the one we are discussing are providing. Which is hardly the fault of private citizens earning their buck, but again this whole line of discussion is pointless.
    Unless you have some facts to support this claim it seems you have a clear misunderstanding of the private sector.

    What the private sector is now doing, thanks to government largess and the power structure, is lobbying for government grants knowing they can get the taxpayer to take the risks, thus limiting their own exposure. If it becomes successful then they stand to make a bundle, with the most recent and famous government failure being Solyndra. You can bet that the executives and their friends didn't lose money.

    These $3 million shrimp experiments go largely unnoticed and although $3 million sounds trivial we can be reasonably certain that someone besides scientists is making money from this and that there might well be political connections involved.

    There are many private companies which do their own Research and Development and are hugely successful. Taxpayer money is not a requirement and never has been.

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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Unless you have some facts to support this claim it seems you have a clear misunderstanding of the private sector.

    What the private sector is now doing, thanks to government largess and the power structure, is lobbying for government grants knowing they can get the taxpayer to take the risks, thus limiting their own exposure. If it becomes successful then they stand to make a bundle, with the most recent and famous government failure being Solyndra. You can bet that the executives and their friends didn't lose money.

    These $3 million shrimp experiments go largely unnoticed and although $3 million sounds trivial we can be reasonably certain that someone besides scientists is making money from this and that there might well be political connections involved.

    There are many private companies which do their own Research and Development and are hugely successful. Taxpayer money is not a requirement and never has been.
    Private R&D groups do develop breakthroughs in science and technology but does that mean we shouldn't provide tax dollars for advancements that wouldn't directly impact a private companies bottom line like Shrimp anatomy?

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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Private R&D groups do develop breakthroughs in science and technology but does that mean we shouldn't provide tax dollars for advancements that wouldn't directly impact a private companies bottom line like Shrimp anatomy?
    Yes. Eventually the system corrupts both government and the private sector.

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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

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    Minorities cannot be racist against the majority, they've no systemic privilege to perpetuate.
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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Oh lordie... not this again.
    It's not like I'm gonna stop saying it. Every time, more people understand.

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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's not like I'm gonna stop saying it. Every time, more people understand.
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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What about the Africans that sold the Africans? They're racist, too?
    If they believed Africans were inferior in any way then they were racist. There is no doubt they participated in a racist system.
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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    All I've heard, is that The Founders were racists. No one has made any exceptions.
    In general they were. As great as many of their ideas were, they were products of their times. All I've heard from the Right is how we should be revering these men as gods.
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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    In general they were. As great as many of their ideas were, they were products of their times. All I've heard from the Right is how we should be revering these men as gods.
    Revering them as Gods? Do you have a link, or is this just more leftist hyperbole?

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    Re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Apdst doesn't know what he's discussing. He thinks if he keeps screaming "Omgz shrimp! 3 million!" people won't actually bother to find out the details:

    Shrimp Treadmill - How Much it Cost Taxpayers

    Yes, the shrimp treadmill research cost taxpayers more than $3 million over the course of a decade. That includes a $559,681 grant for research into "Impaired Metabolism and Performance in Crustaceans Exposed to Bacteria."
    So in short, the study wasn't really about watching shrimp on a treadmill. Shrimp on a treadmill was actually part of a much larger study on the effects water quality has on shrimp. A study which had nothing to do with congress as it was part of the money already allocated to the NSF. A study which "cost" the average taxpayer less than 10 cents per year. A study which actually benefits coastal states like Louisiana. Better stop all scientific research people. It's part of wasteful spending. Wait.... Here is Governor Bobby Jindal depending on that same type of research to ensure Louisiana's shrimp industry doesn't go to ****:

    The oil disaster, two years later: seafood, human health in jeopardy | Blog of New Orleans | Gambit - New Orleans News and Entertainment

    A statement to Al Jazeera from Gov. Bobby Jindal's office reads, "Gulf seafood has consistently tested lower than the safety thresholds established by the FDA for the levels of oil and dispersant contamination that would pose a risk to human health. ... Louisiana seafood continues to go through extensive testing to ensure that seafood is safe for human consumption. More than 3,000 composite samples of seafood, sediment and water have been tested in Louisiana since the start of the spill."
    I'm sure if the government stops spending money on research towards the food exported by states, we'll be better off though!
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