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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Buuuut 1A rights, right??
    Nope. Only Christians have that right to pass out religious materials at school.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Newsflash: In the 1800s, everywhere in the world, everyone was racist. Given this fact, painting anyone from the 1800s as racist is pretty ****ing easy.

    Someone needs to explain to the mother that in the 1800s, the world was ****ing racist. Why doesn't she know this? Where the **** did she get educated? Perhaps she should be in class with her child and not complaining about historical facts.
    Given all the racism in the USA from 1776 to the present, I feel certain that the Muslims will be keen to provide a happy alternative.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Given all the racism in the USA from 1776 to the present, I feel certain that the Muslims will be keen to provide a happy alternative.
    And you think they'd accomplish that by pretending racism never existed?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

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    Under a far left administration this is what is happening in our country.


    School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists | Fox News





    By Todd Starnes
    Published October 27, 2014FoxNews.com


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    The mother of an eight-year-old wants to know why a Tennessee school teacher gave her child a handout from the Nation of Islam that portrayed the presidents on Mount Rushmore as being racists.
    It seems the story may have been overblown but the responses were interesting. Elizabethton City Schools :: Welcome to Elizabethton City Schools

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And you think they'd accomplish that by pretending racism never existed?
    Do you think that by Muslims pointing out that the US is a racist country is done for the benefit of Americans, by Muslims? The Communists always did the same and it worked then too.

    Maybe a Flagellation Day each July 4th would help, where Americans could torture each other for their racist past until they are no longer able to stand, and then they can get on with their lives for another year.

    Or maybe Americans should just move and Muslims work at getting their own Mosque in order.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    This is a classic example of the continual mistake we make in taking some subject from history and judging it again in today's context. But we are here now with an even bigger mistake of suggesting this is Obama's fault.

    This "School's nation of Islam" is not that far off the mark but they are making the mistake I am talking about with context in the historical period in question. We define racism today as institutionalized prejudice, we also see it defined as a belief that inherent differences among the various human races determine sociological or academic or even individual achievement. No matter which you subscribe to it boils down to the idea that one's own race is superior to another, and by effect generally means the ability at a minimum to discriminate against others and at a more extreme rule over others (our nation has done both, and struggled with one all the way up into the 1960s.)

    One problem for this thread here and the OP is is George Washington and Thomas Jefferson as our Founding Fathers were racist in today's context. Jefferson owned slaves, straight up. To do so means at least engaging in the idea that one can be inferior and owned by another human being. In that context, even for the period in question, then Jefferson could not have believed that "all men were created equal." In the same Context, so did George Washington. Despite all his successes and leading America to freedom he did own slaves. Now, with Washington we know the idea of slavery became a big problem for him but at the same time during the birth of a nation there was great support for the idea of owning another human being. Strike that, often times those owned were not considered anything but property. Forget the human being part. Right at our nation's beginnings we had Washington starting to realize the problem but not being able to do much about it for political reasons. On top of slavery, we should not forget how our "Founding Fathers" handled prior residents to these lands.

    Another problem for this thread and the OP is neither Theodore Roosevelt or Abraham Lincoln were founding fathers. At least not in the context of being present for the making of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. They both may have had their own flavor of prejudices to deal with but not in the same context as our "Founding Fathers."

    Our more entertaining question is what kind of person was both Washington and Jefferson in their period of context, not ours today. And it looks like Washington started to struggle with racism (in historical context) in a way that Jefferson did not. Does that mean that Washington was a good guy and Jefferson was a bad guy? Well, in today's context the answer is absolutely no and yes. Technically they both owned slaves and in today's context both were bad guys. However, in historical context all of that is up for debate. Sure, Jefferson did father children with his slaves and ensured some of those children became educated and eventually free. But that does not necessarily erase the notion of saying "all men are created equal" then turning around and owning one, for either Washington or Jefferson. Ultimately just to make a deal with all states it turns out not all men are created equal, and not all had Constitutional rights applied to them.

    We may take on these useless exercises to determine things like this but we are wasting time with our incessant need to bring from history into today's PC world was was and was not acceptable. We will continually cause problems doing so and ensure continued fuel for today's racism foolishness. At the same time we end up with this asinine OP suggesting Obama's administration is to blame.

    This is the **** that ensures racism will not end anytime soon. But it also shows us why history tends to get edited into sunshine and roses views of people of importance to our history. Turns out they may not have been the high moral ground individuals we paint them as in today's context.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Buuuut 1A rights, right??
    Whose? Louis Farrakhan's, of course. His organization can publish that pamphlet if he wants. He can even give a bunch of them to his good buddy Jeremiah "God damn America" Wright, so members of his flock can pick up a copy when they go to hear him preach that 9/11 was this country's fault, or something similarly enlightening. Probably too late for the Obamas to pick one up there, though.

    But Miss Whozit? No way. In public schools, the freedom of speech is far from absolute. The real remedy for teachers like this one, who no doubt is just one more of the America-hating leftist dopes that infest public schools all over this country, is to fire them. If my property taxes were helping to pay her salary, I would demand that the school board take action against her and urge everyone else in that district to do the same. Local school districts are not laws unto themselves.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems the story may have been overblown but the responses were interesting. Elizabethton City Schools :: Welcome to Elizabethton City Schools
    Wow! Wow! and Wow! Nice job, Grant. Allow me to give you the clap.

    As difficult as it is to believe it would seem that once again Fox "News" is as full of sh*t as a Christmas goose.

    The big story here is that people continue to watch and read Fox reporting and accept it at face value, without bothering to validate any given "news" report. Time and time again blatant and purposeful distortion of events "reported" by Fox ends up making the rounds and inciting the gullible viewers of extreme right wing sites. Time and time again those same readers are duped and made to look foolish.

    Thankfully we have people like Grant and a bulletin board such as DP and thus the truth can be known. Unfortunately, most suckers, dummies and fools continue to accept what they hear and read on Fox and on extremist web sites. People who do not question their extremist "news" sources will continue to remain willfully ignorant. Those people will also remain outraged about things that never happened.










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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Whose? Louis Farrakhan's, of course. His organization can publish that pamphlet if he wants. He can even give a bunch of them to his good buddy Jeremiah "God damn America" Wright, so members of his flock can pick up a copy when they go to hear him preach that 9/11 was this country's fault, or something similarly enlightening. Probably too late for the Obamas to pick one up there, though.

    But Miss Whozit? No way. In public schools, the freedom of speech is far from absolute. The real remedy for teachers like this one, who no doubt is just one more of the America-hating leftist dopes that infest public schools all over this country, is to fire them. If my property taxes were helping to pay her salary, I would demand that the school board take action against her and urge everyone else in that district to do the same. Local school districts are not laws unto themselves.
    Did you read Post #24 above? Or did you not understand it? Or maybe you are hoping the rest of us didn't read it or didn't understand it. Take a minute to read the link that Grant posted. It renders your argument moot in the context of the OP.










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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Did you read Post #24 above? Or did you not understand it? Or maybe you are hoping the rest of us didn't read it or didn't understand it. Take a minute to read the link that Grant posted. It renders your argument moot in the context of the OP.
    Renders my argument moot? I don't understand what all those fancy words mean.

    I notice this official says the teacher printed this sheet as "background material" for an "observation" she was going to make as part of a lesson on Mt. Rushmore. But then he claims the sheet was among a lot of "discarded" material on a table next to the teacher's desk, repeating that it had been "discarded by the teacher as material to utilize in her presentation." Well, which is it? He admits the teacher brought that sheet into the classroom to support an observation she planned to make, and yet somehow--maybe he is clairvoyant--he knows it's just trash she never planned to use.

    It sounds like fanny-covering to me, and maybe it did to the Fox reporter, too. A student sees the paper on a table, is curious, and takes it home. (Why is the fact he did that without permission worthy of emphasis in the letter, by the way, if it was just a sheet of scrap paper on a table with "a ton" of it?) And when the parent looks at the sheet and wants some answers, Miss Whozit, suddenly confronted with a problem, conveniently explains that it was nothing--a throwaway. She purposely printed it off an Internet site and brought it to school to use in making some observation; and yet when someone raises hell, then it's "well, it was really just an old piece of scrap paper."

    Lois Lerner, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, you are shining examples to leftist liars everywhere.
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