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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Did they have all the same rights as blacks? Did they have the right to "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness"? Were they given protections and rights under the bill of rights?
    You're embarressing yourself.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Did they have all the same rights as blacks? Did they have the right to "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness"? Were they given protections and rights under the bill of rights?
    In the states where they did so? Sure. What is so very difficult for you to understand about this?

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    How can you be bloody well objective about his morality when you apply standards that didn't exist at the time he lived.
    Objectively speaking, his context is not relevant.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Objectively speaking, his context is not relevant.
    but yours are

    Oh So Objective!

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, slavery was wrong in 1860. The Civil War didn't make it wrong. Jefferson owning slaves (and keeping one as his mistress) isn't admirable because it was 1776. There's nothing admirable about Washington owning slaves. To point out the irony of these men proclaiming that all men were entitled to certain inalienable rights while owning other human beings is a good thing.
    Historical context.
    Were not slaves considered property back then?

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    but yours are

    Oh So Objective!
    You really don't understand how a modern and inclusive evaluation represents an objective perspective? Do you have any understanding of what constitutes objectivity?

    Perhaps you don't believe in the existence of objectivity in any degree? That would be horribly childish. Perhaps you have a better idea of how to establish objectivity. That might be interesting.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 10-29-14 at 04:09 PM.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You really don't understand how a modern and inclusive evaluation represents an objective perspective? Do you have any understanding of what constitutes objectivity?
    Do tell me how you anticipate using 21st century morals to judge 19th century behavior in a manner that will seem objective to (for example) someone coming to it with 23rd century morals

    My bet: they are going to point out that your analysis isn't objective because you don't condemn them for eating meat, demonstrating your own biases and cruelty.


    Perhaps you don't believe in the existence of objectivity in any degree? That would be horribly childish. Perhaps you have a better idea of how to establish objectivity. That might be interesting.
    Oh no - there is definitely an objective standard. The problem is that it isn't what you want it to be


    Wait. You do realize that the act of you typing the word "objectively" does not actually make an assessment objective, yes?

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Why dont you answer the question?
    I have answered the question. You don't dig the answer, so you ask the question a different way, hoping for a different answer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Oh no - there is definitely an objective standard. The problem is that it isn't what you want it to be
    Please, enlighten us. How do you establish objectivity? I can't wait to see the alternative to modern and inclusive scientific evaluation. Bible?

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Please, enlighten us. How do you establish objectivity? I can't wait to see the alternative to modern and inclusive scientific evaluation. Bible?
    For Morality? I would say that the only Absolute and thus Objective Standard would have to be Divine in nature.

    But I couldn't help but notice that you failed to quote half the post you were responding to . you are attempting to spin off of the question. Indicating that you are continuing to lose.

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