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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This is about the founders. Not states. Did the US Constitution give same rights to blacks?
    Check out those dates. Those states were being run by the Founders when they gave voting rights to blacks. The US Constitution left the decision about who was allowed to vote to the States.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

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    I tell you what, mr Truth Teller. You look up the dates for that Trail of Tears, compare it to the 1770s, 1780s, and 1790s, and let us know what you discover.
    Two separate instances of the same phenomenon. Hope that clears up the post for you.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This is about the founders. Not states. Did the US Constitution give same rights to blacks?
    Is it really this hard for you, or are you that desperate to save face?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    In life, the rules change. Pretending this is not so, and putting ones head in the sand regarding racism, is just willful ignorance.



    His morality from an objective perspective. I'm sorry if an objective perspective offends you, but it can and should be included with a historical context assessment.



    He was immoral for that and countless other atrocities. Spare us the idol worship.


    By your standards, some backwoods redneck racist piece of **** is not really a racist because everyone in his town is racist. That's apologism, not moral assessment.
    How can you be bloody well objective about his morality when you apply standards that didn't exist at the time he lived. How can a person be immoral when the choices he makes are moral in the society in which he lives at the time in which he lives?

    It's only apologism if the person knows he's doing wrong. If our redneck lives in a racist world and all he knows is racism he is racist. He's just not evil.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's because slavery is ok, as long as WASP's aren't the slave owners.

    Ultimately it has nothing to do with slavery, or racism. For the Libbos to, "fundementally change", America, they have to convince everyone to denounce The Founders. That way, the Libbos can sell themselves as the new foujders of The United States. Communist dictators have been employing that tactic since Lenin returned to Russia in 1917. Racism was coined by Trotsky in 1920.
    Yes, and it was used to undermine the Democracies, especially England and the United States. "Community Organizer" Saul Alinsky successfully carried on with the program and the effect is still felt today. Black against White, Men Against Women, Left Against White, rubbishing American history, etc. while those who have an alternative agenda watch patiently from the sidelines, simply adding a poke here and a prod there.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    One shouldn't base positions on BS they invent themselves. No one believes slavery is ok as long as it's not WASPs owning the slaves. Using that crap as a basis for understanding anything is nonsense. That you refuse to reveal your source is telling.
    The focus in this thread, and elsewhere, is overwhelmingly concerned about White Save owners and not the Black participation in the trade. Slavery exists today in Islamic nations, and yet it stirs less interest then events occurring many decades ago.

    I doubt that many US classrooms would be teaching modern slavery by Muslims today, or even women's rights in Islam, but the teaching of White on Black slavery, and the shortcomings of their country's founders, is always a popular subject. Students must be taught leftist 'perspective'.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Check out those dates. Those states were being run by the Founders when they gave voting rights to blacks. The US Constitution left the decision about who was allowed to vote to the States.
    That's why is post is so damn funny!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Check out those dates. Those states were being run by the Founders when they gave voting rights to blacks. The US Constitution left the decision about who was allowed to vote to the States.
    Did they have all the same rights as blacks? Did they have the right to "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness"? Were they given protections and rights under the bill of rights?


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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Two separate instances of the same phenomenon. Hope that clears up the post for you.
    Nope. If anything claiming that the Founding (which was a war against Great Britain) and the Trail of Tears (which was the forcible displacement of a major Native American tribe) are two separate instances of the same phenomenon makes the post less clear. It seems you have some kind of generalized idea that conservatives cherish a falsely mythological view of the Founding, without being able to substantiate it.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is it really this hard for you, or are you that desperate to save face?
    Why dont you answer the question?


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