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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

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    No? Dude, you don't even know what the Three-Fifths Compromise is and your suddenly an historical authority on what rights black folks had prior to 1865?
    Like--did you not go to school, or what? Common knowledge, man. That 3/5 part of your precious constitution just proves the white slave-owning men who started Amerikkka saw African-Americans as sub-human--not even real people. Just go to any authoritative source--the Daily Kos, MediaMatters, MSNBC, etc. if you doubt that.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The founders by and large weren't racist. You are confusing a system of slavery with an intellectual construct that was later used to justify it.



    Because it's not, actually, all the time. It is, in fact, pretty rare that we hear about slavery in a non white-person-owning-black-people context.
    If, however, certain members of that generation argued the inherent inferiority of, say, blacks, that would constitute racism.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

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    How is it dumb?
    Followed by the dumbest question ever on the forum.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I agree slavery is/was wrong. Not my point. One or a few voices does not set the social acceptable norm at the time.

    We had a civil war to pretty much make the change , did we not?
    No, slavery was wrong in 1860. The Civil War didn't make it wrong. Jefferson owning slaves (and keeping one as his mistress) isn't admirable because it was 1776. There's nothing admirable about Washington owning slaves. To point out the irony of these men proclaiming that all men were entitled to certain inalienable rights while owning other human beings is a good thing.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

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    They all note blacks owned slaves. Spare us this BS.

    There's no conspiracy against whites in highschool history textbooks. Your persecution complex is imagined.
    Are you claiming that there were no black slave owners in America?
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, slavery was wrong in 1860. The Civil War didn't make it wrong. Jefferson owning slaves (and keeping one as his mistress) isn't admirable because it was 1776. There's nothing admirable about Washington owning slaves. To point out the irony of these men proclaiming that all men were entitled to certain inalienable rights while owning other human beings is a good thing.
    There is a lucrative slave trade in yye ME.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Are you claiming that there were no black slave owners in America?
    See, the problem is people can't read. It's not that black slave owners are hidden from public knowledge in a conspiracy against white people, it's that some people can't read at all and thus they have no ****ing idea what's in a highschool textbook. To them, it's all a big conspiracy.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Coming from you the all might all knowing. But Ill ask again: Were African Americans given the right to vote? Were African Americans given the same rights?
    Some states, yes. Some states, no. Freedmen could vote in Virginia. Freedmen were illegal in Ohio.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Some states, yes. Some states, no. Freedmen could vote in Virginia. Freedmen were illegal in Ohio.
    Were they given the same rights as those protected under the bill of rights? Yes or no?


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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Followed by the dumbest question ever on the forum.
    That's all you got, huh?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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