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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Wait... did I actually read this correctly? Before racism existed?
    You didn't know the word didn't exist until the 20th Century
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And yet, quite a bit recently we see so-called conservatives absolutely flip their **** at the idea of anyone saying the founding fathers or America were anything less than perfect. Apparently, speaking about factual events like the "Trail of Tears" is some attack on our country. Telling the truth, to these people, is wrong because it makes America look bad, so doing so must mean you hate America. Nationalism run amok. Borderline fascism.
    I flip my lid when someone tells the lie that all The Founders were racist, without a single qualification.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I flip my lid when someone tells the lie that all The Founders were racist, without a single qualification.
    If owning slaves and believing blacks are not human is not racism, then what the **** is??

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    According to the modern standard if what racism, everyone is a racist.

    That being said, what about black slave owners? Were they racists, too?
    I don't know, but they were certainly deplorable though.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If owning slaves and believing blacks are not human is not racism, then what the **** is??
    What are you basing that statement of fact on?

    Were black slave owners racist, too?
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I don't know, but they were certainly deplorable though.
    Oh, you don't know...but you're absolutely sure that every Founder was a racist?
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh, you don't know...but you're absolutely sure that every Founder was a racist?
    I'm curious why nobody has picked up on the fact the Nation of Islam, home to some of the most notorious and outspoken racist/bigots, is being used to call the historical figures on Mount Rushmore racists.

    That would be like the KKK complaining about ethnic discrimination.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What are you basing that statement of fact on?

    Were black slave owners racist, too?
    Blacks oppressing blacks is a form of racism. Blacks hating whites, of course, is not.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It compares his action to objective morality as established by modern context. I'm sorry if it doesn't give him a blowjob, but I'm not sure what your objection is. Are you against viewing history in a modern context? That would be idiotic - literally.
    No. I'm against making a value judgement on the man himself based on a modern context. I've maintained all along that you can retroactively say the man did immoral things based on our morality. I don't believe its fair to judge the man himself as an immoral individual based on our conception of morality.

    The example I used in the Columbus thread was one of a society that 200 years from now determines that cows are intelligent beings and accords them all manner of civil rights. My act of eating a cheeseburger today is immoral because cows as it turns out are intelligent. But that doesn't make me immoral since the prevailing morality at the time I live allows for eating cows.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I'm against making a value judgement on the man himself based on a modern context.
    So? The rest of us are capable of examining a historical figure in both historical and modern context. Just because you personally have a problem with modern context is no reason to pretend the perspective garners no insight.


    My act of eating a cheeseburger today is immoral because cows as it turns out are intelligent.
    Blacks are not cows. They're people.

    And, for the record, the act of eating a cheeseburger CAN be judged TODAY as immoral, without cows proving to be intelligent.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 10-29-14 at 12:38 PM.

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