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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's not the only measure.
    How does judging a man by a moral system he didn't live under illuminate him?
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    First, again, what about blacks? They wrote or spoke quite frequently about the abomination of slavery and their desire to be treated better by whites. Is that a yardstick?

    Furthermore, we do this all the time. I have yet to see an incredibly sympathetic take with colonial loyalism or reluctant separatists in this country. We push the wrongness of the loyalists all the time, because we are so used to this country *being here* and it obviously being right, that we so casually dismiss the concerns of these men and women.

    People are full of crap when they say they want people to be judged by the standards of the time. At best they are plebeians who heard what German-trained historians said 120 years ago, barely understand it and apply it inconsistently. At worst, they are using it for political convenience.
    Perhaps in some cases. I've not said anything on my feelings on how the founders would be judged on slavery only on what the appropriate measure is.

    The feelings of slaves are certainly relevant. So are those of white abolitionists. That doesn't in any way invalidate my argument.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I just think its funny how the righties rail against "moral relativism" on the left, yet engage in it every time they have to defend "the founders", Old Testament figures, or any historical figure they idolize.
    Utterly incorrect. The position is that you can;pt judge an individual other than in the context of their own time and culture but you CAN say that the practice is wrong. I don;t condemn individual Muslims for teh way they behave towards women the whole practice of Islam is to blame. The left argue that you can;t critiocise another culture.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    In a hundred years they will condemn us for our evil treatment of animals.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Are you serious? I've seen many dozens of collectivist drones on sites like this one make very clear what a vile country they think the U.S. is--even though they choose to take up space in it. One way to undermine or even potentially destroy a country or culture you resent or despise is to run it down at every opportunity, and encourage other people to do the same. Many people in the 1960's openly expressed their low opinion of all things American, and some of them have insinuated themselves into the public education system. By now (with help from rich leftist hypocrites like Oliver Stone and Michael Moore) they've been able to indoctrinate a couple generations with their propaganda. There are now enough millions of these fine citizens in the U.S. to elect--twice--a President who shares their resentment of it and contempt for its Constitution.
    yes I am serious are you? who on this thread hates America?

    believing the country has done vile things is not enough to cut it as lets face it what country doesn't have some skeletons in its closet

    what culture is being undermined on this thread ?

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    who on this thread hates America?
    Beats hell out of me. Maybe you know.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I see the usual collectivist America-haters have rushed in to defend this action by a teacher who shares their low opinion of this horrible racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, warmongering country. But I understand their concern. How are leftists ever supposed to bring down this wretched country, if they can't even indoctrinate third-graders to believe it's barely worth lifting a finger to defend?
    er then what the **** were you saying hear

    I see the usual collectivist America-haters have rushed in to defend this action


    were you making that up?

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Beats hell out of me. Maybe you know.
    or is this post of yours a lie?

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Second Parent: My child got Nation of Islam paper, too

    A second parent has now come forward acknowledging their child received a Nation of Islam “handout” in a third grade class at Harold McCormick Elementary School in Elizabethton, Tennessee – contradicting claims by the school district that the document was not distributed in the classroom.

    Second Parent: My child got Nation of Islam paper, too | Fox News


    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems the story may have been overblown but the responses were interesting. Elizabethton City Schools :: Welcome to Elizabethton City Schools
    Apparently the only ones overblowing things were the liberals in this thread.


    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Did you read Post #24 above? Or did you not understand it? Or maybe you are hoping the rest of us didn't read it or didn't understand it. Take a minute to read the link that Grant posted. It renders your argument moot in the context of the OP.

    I guess the possibility that the school was lying given the multiple excuses didn't occur to you.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Second Parent: My child got Nation of Islam paper, too

    A second parent has now come forward acknowledging their child received a Nation of Islam “handout” in a third grade class at Harold McCormick Elementary School in Elizabethton, Tennessee – contradicting claims by the school district that the document was not distributed in the classroom.

    Second Parent: My child got Nation of Islam paper, too | Fox News



    Apparently the only ones overblowing things were the liberals in this thread.



    I guess the possibility that the school was lying given the multiple excuses didn't occur to you.
    Yes, that did occur to me. What also occurred to me is that it would be a very rare occasion where a superintendent would lie to cover a teacher's butt for a this or a similar situation.

    In the situation as reported in the OP the teacher would have to have been lying to the principal and the principal would have to have assured the superintendent that the teacher was not lying. I would imagine, given the sensationalism caused by Fox, that the superintendent superintendent spoke with the teacher as well. Following that and after the news stories, I can guarantee you that one or more members of the school board have spoken with the superintendent about it. Or it could be as you suggest that there is a concerted effort by all involved to lie about it and blame the child. But, that idea is horse****.

    Now we have an anonymous second source reported by the guy who wrote the original story.

    Could be the teacher lied. Could be the teacher didn't. It is much, much, much less likely that "the school is lying".

    Could be Fox News is lying. It wouldn't be the first time.










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