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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How can a claim of racism be made against people, who died before racism existed?
    Racial equality is not a modern concept. There were abolitionists long before our nation's founding. Abolitionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Even Thomas Jefferson knew slavery was morally wrong, he just didn't do anything about it. So if morality is not relative, then the founders were racists.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    How does that erode his point?

    Hindsight affords us a greater understanding of how racial structures operated.
    Because its out of historical context. Do you really think Washington thought of himself as a racists?

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Have you been elsewhere, perhaps a developing country? One might consider the average theocracy suffering slum dweller and the amount of free critical thinking that goes into their expression.

    You might be rather surprised that holding Americans out for such a quality is rather comical and most of the ****in' world doesn't question what their authority dictates. That's why the founders made the constitution, to enumerate social authority beyond the will of any tin pot tyrant or mass of idiots.

    What country's critical thinking would you like to compare to the US? Please, amuse us.
    nice ramble.

    Still won't tackle the historical context of what was accepted back in the 1800's.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Still won't tackle the historical context of what was accepted back in the 1800's.
    I think I did that pretty clearly in my first post herein. I don't understand your objection or contention.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Well, it was an accepted practice by some to own slaves. John Adams, who was instrumental in the adoption of the Constitution, considered slavery an abomination. Which, of course, it was.
    I agree slavery is/was wrong. Not my point. One or a few voices does not set the social acceptable norm at the time.

    We had a civil war to pretty much make the change , did we not?

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    One of the truly dumb statements ever to appear on this forum.
    I just think its funny how the righties rail against "moral relativism" on the left, yet engage in it every time they have to defend "the founders", Old Testament figures, or any historical figure they idolize.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Because its out of historical context. Do you really think Washington thought of himself as a racists?
    It's not out of historical context. It's addressing historical context through a different lens. How does pointing out how the past worked make it out of context. That *is* context personified.
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    School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I just think its funny how the righties rail against "moral relativism" on the left, yet engage in it every time they have to defend "the founders", Old Testament figures, or any historical figure they idolize.
    Oh God....I get into these arguments all the time with Left-wingers and Right-wingers whenever they want to keep their heroes. It's absolutely ridiculous.

    All of the sudden they all act like amateur historians without any of the training.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    So if morality is not relative, then the founders were racists.
    Whether morality is relative or not, they were racists bigtime. Why would racism be defined according to relative morality. 'Relative racism' is nonsense.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I agree slavery is/was wrong. Not my point. One or a few voices does not set the social acceptable norm at the time.

    We had a civil war to pretty much make the change , did we not?
    And what about blacks during that time? In some counties they accounted for numerical majorities in a given county. Does their perspective now become irrelevant?

    You're forgetting that these people existed by responding that way.
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