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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Newsflash: In the 1800s, everywhere in the world, everyone was racist. Given this fact, painting anyone from the 1800s as racist is pretty ****ing easy.

    Someone needs to explain to the mother that in the 1800s, the world was ****ing racist. Why doesn't she know this? Where the **** did she get educated? Perhaps she should be in class with her child and not complaining about historical facts.
    What is important is what was the social accepted values at the time.
    - One, it was an accepted practice to own slaves.
    - Two, looking at what was acceptable back then, I doubt they defined racist in the terms used today.

    So unless you discuss history in historical context, imo your point is really not valid about racism.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well a lot of them owned slaves.... So yea...
    There wasn't no racism 'till Obama.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    What is important is what was the social accepted values at the time.
    - One, it was an accepted practice to own slaves.
    - Two, looking at what was acceptable back then, I doubt they defined racist in the terms used today.

    So unless you discuss history in historical context, imo your point is really not valid about racism.
    How does that erode his point?

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    What is important is what was the social accepted values at the time.
    - One, it was an accepted practice to own slaves.
    - Two, looking at what was acceptable back then, I doubt they defined racist in the terms used today.

    So unless you discuss history in historical context, imo your point is really not valid about racism.
    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Sure one can, and one should. At the same time, one must be aware of historical context.

    It's not an "either/or" thing. One can, and really should, view historical figures in both a modern and historical context. It's not that difficult and failing to be capable of such is hardly something I can fix.


    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Americans aren't critical enough.
    Have you been elsewhere, perhaps a developing country? One might consider the average theocracy suffering slum dweller and the amount of free critical thinking that goes into their expression.

    You might be rather surprised that holding Americans out for such a quality is rather comical and most of the ****in' world doesn't question what their authority dictates. That's why the founders made the constitution, to enumerate social authority beyond the will of any tin pot tyrant or mass of idiots.

    What country's critical thinking would you like to compare to the US? Please, amuse us.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There wasn't no racism 'till Obama.
    All that made up stuff about tough times in the 20's for black people in the South is just silly...
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    All that made up stuff about tough times in the 20's for black people in the South is just silly...
    It was a time when women knew their place, blacks stfu and a white man could bugger about without all this here hemisexuality nonsense. You know, 'merica.

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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It was a time when women knew their place, blacks stfu and a white man could bugger about without all this here hemisexuality nonsense. You know, 'merica.
    Good times...
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Everyone knows racism exists and existed. Is that news?

    The problem is that little else is taught in the public school system, certainly little that glorifies America, and students are suffering from ever greater stupidity as a consequence.
    Perhaps they're just making up for the time when I went to school, where seldom was heard a discouraging word about the United States or its history. And certainly I never remember any mention of the Founding Fathers as slave owners.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How can a claim of racism be made against people, who died before racism existed?
    One of the truly dumb statements ever to appear on this forum.
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    re: School's Nation of Islam handout paints Founding Fathers as racists [W:293]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    What is important is what was the social accepted values at the time.
    - One, it was an accepted practice to own slaves.
    - Two, looking at what was acceptable back then, I doubt they defined racist in the terms used today.

    So unless you discuss history in historical context, imo your point is really not valid about racism.
    Well, it was an accepted practice by some to own slaves. John Adams, who was instrumental in the adoption of the Constitution, considered slavery an abomination. Which, of course, it was.
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