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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    too bad hillary did not say it that way for you
    then you would not have to defend her indefensible words
    She knew what she was talking about; that's my point.
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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Oh please. You just want Hilary to be wrong; but public demand for products and services is what creates jobs and businesses.
    You just can't seem to grasp the fact that the public can't demand any good or service unless the public is employed. Maybe you think if everyone worked for the gov that would give people money to spend, is that your premise here?

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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    She knew what she was talking about; that's my point.
    She was saying that the government creates jobs. The Leftists have been harping on that for years. It was the free market that made this country great, not the government.
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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    She knew what she was talking about; that's my point.
    then we part company on that point

    i try to judge the speaker by what they actually said instead of what they should have said
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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    She was saying that the government creates jobs. The Leftists have been harping on that for years. It was the free market that made this country great, not the government.
    please point out where in her comments that she said government creates jobs, because i missed it
    i look forward to your reply
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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    please point out where in her comments that she said government creates jobs, because i missed it
    i look forward to your reply
    She claimed that private companies don't create jobs. That leaves job creation up to...?

    I look forward to you completing that sentence.
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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    She was saying that the government creates jobs. The Leftists have been harping on that for years. It was the free market that made this country great, not the government.
    Show me where Hillary Clinton said "the government creates jobs".
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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    then we part company on that point

    i try to judge the speaker by what they actually said instead of what they should have said
    That's fine; I just think that you're misinterpreting what she said based on your political leaning.
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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    She claimed that private companies don't create jobs. That leaves job creation up to...?

    I look forward to you completing that sentence.
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Show me where Hillary Clinton said "the government creates jobs".
    If not private companies, who's left? Who's left to create these jobs? Seems only a single other entity, and that'd be the government, unless you can list a non-private company and non-government source of jobs.
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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger
    That's true. In the past people did trade with each other. However, not much of that going on these days in modern economies, where the mechanism of trade is uses the intermediate of currency.
    That's not relevant. The question, again, is which is more fundamental: demand, or business? In the simplest case, demand fuels production. Ergo, it is more fundamental, because production can fail. There can be demand without supply, but no supply without at least some kind of demand. Businesses are on the supply side of the equation.

    I have to re-iterate what I said in my last post, however. It would be a big mistake to ignore the supply side altogether, and I understand that. We owe much of our economic development to more and more products and services filling more basic demands. But this doesn't preclude anything I've said previously--I take these points to be logically consistent, and furthermore, to provide a decent set of principles by which to guide economic policy.

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger
    Not sure where you are getting your information from here. 20% investment payback sounds like the very top tier of the highest risk investments. The old adage, if you can't afford to lose, you can't afford to win, applies here. Especially when more normal businesses' profit rates are in the single digits.
    Well, they are now, which is part of why businesses are closing down. Investors still want the returns they were getting in the 90's and early 00's, so they're moving capital out, in large part to China, India, Russia, and into some restricted markets in the U.S. that still offer those kinds of yields (often with the illusion of relative safety). This is a practical problem, and for my part, I think we ought to be ruthless about stopping it. Wealth belongs primarily to whatever produces it. It's demonstrable that society as a whole produces wealth, not individuals, and especially not individual investors.

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