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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Wasn't she on the wal mart, monsanto, and tyson foods board of directors?
    Not to mention married to Mr. NAFTA. I wonder if she will mention that.

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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    I think you misunderstand the concept of demand. Yes, a private sector company creates jobs, but only when a demand for their product exists. If no one wants what they have to offer, they do not need workers to produce the product. Ergo, the non producing workers won't have a job and nothing to trickle back into the economy.
    Private sector companies recognize, meet and sometimes create demand. Period. Spin it however you want, but it's the private sector that creates jobs.
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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    At least Hillary said something. McConnell says nothing, and the right will probably still re-elect him, "I'm not announcing what the agenda would be in advance. "
    Sen. McConnell touts 2005 push for private Social Security accounts, doesn't say if he'll do same as Senate Majority Leader - Insider Louisville
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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by 29A View Post
    At least Hillary said something. McConnell says nothing, and the right will probably still re-elect him, "I'm not announcing what the agenda would be in advance. "
    Sen. McConnell touts 2005 push for private Social Security accounts, doesn't say if he'll do same as Senate Majority Leader - Insider Louisville
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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Another thread on this, and as pointed out in that thread, it is a quote taken out of context. She is referring to "trickle down economics", or as it is referred to now since trickle down failed, "supply side economics"
    "Donít let anybody tell you that itís corporations and businesses that create jobs"

    So tell me the context that shows she didn't mean what that says.
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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Another thread on this, and as pointed out in that thread, it is a quote taken out of context. She is referring to "trickle down economics", or as it is referred to now since trickle down failed, "supply side economics"
    Her statement is false at face value. It doesn't matter what she says after it, the statement is false. What's more, she knows it's false and knew it was false when she said it. At least she's smart enough to backpeddle from it once she got caught. Apparently, her supporters aren't.
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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort
    If you have no job and no money you demand nothing. If you have a job created by business you have money and you demand goods and services your attempt to put the cart ahead of the horse is nuts
    This is obviously false. Whether you have a job or not, you still have demands for at least the basic necessities--food, water, shelter, medicine, etc. People are typically willing to give up anything of value which they possess, including (importantly) time and labor, to secure those. That's how economies get started. People work the land to create food and other raw materials. In extreme cases, people are willing to risk their lives to secure them. That's how economies crash and revolutions happen, incidentally.

    The point, then, is that unless those with jobs are paid a wage which takes care of necessities and then provides enough room to spend more, the economy begins a downward spiral. Less demand, fewer positions maintained and overall fewer businesses keep their doors open. Which leads to even less demand, rinse and repeat.

    The problem of economics is the problem of navigating between Scilla and Charibdis. On the one hand, pure competition leads to all the money in the hands of a very few, and pretty soon there is no economy because there are only so many cars, televisions, and yachts those few can use. On the other hand, pure cooperation leads to complacency and stagnation. Wealth is diminished because people aren't working as hard to produce resources.

    There's an easy way to tell which is happening. If real unemployment is rising, and thus demand is destroyed because fewer people have money, then we've steered too close to Charibdis, the downward spiral created by going too far on the competition end of the scale. If, instead, demand is destroyed because, though everyone has a job, overall wealth in the society is diminished due to fewer resources being produced, then we've sailed too close to Scilla, the monster of complacency created by going too far to the cooperation end of the scale.

    It seems pretty clear to me which is the case in contemporary America, and hence what we should do about it.
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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    This is obviously false. Whether you have a job or not, you still have demands for at least the basic necessities--food, water, shelter, medicine, etc. People are typically willing to give up anything of value which they possess, including (importantly) time and labor, to secure those. That's how economies get started. People work the land to create food and other raw materials. In extreme cases, people are willing to risk their lives to secure them. That's how economies crash and revolutions happen, incidentally.

    The point, then, is that unless those with jobs are paid a wage which takes care of necessities and then provides enough room to spend more, the economy begins a downward spiral. Less demand, fewer positions maintained and overall fewer businesses keep their doors open. Which leads to even less demand, rinse and repeat.
    This is only true if people aren't willing or able to provide labor that is of value to someone else. If we all aspire to be fast food workers, then the "downward spiral" is well deserved.

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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor
    This is only true if people aren't willing or able to provide labor that is of value to someone else. If we all aspire to be fast food workers, then the "downward spiral" is well deserved.
    Your first sentence seems to contradict your second sentence.

    If you're saying what I think you're saying, my response would be twofold:

    First, that is one flaw (among many) in any purely capitalist system. Second, that very few people aspire to be nothing other than low-end labor.

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    Re: Hillary: 'Don't Let Anybody Tell You' That 'Businesses Create Jobs'

    There is an identical thread on the Government Spending and Debt forum. These should be merged.

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