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DHS Agents Raid Lingerie Shop, Save America From Unlicensed Underwear

Homeland Security now going after small business for copyright infringement. That seams like some thing that should be beneath them. Aren't they supposed to be getting to the bottom of terrorist plots, not doing panty raids for Major league Baseball.

Well it may not be apparent to civilians, but DHS may be on to something with this. The underwear or "Yahllakabum" as it is called in Arabic, has extensive and powerful meanings to terrorists. It is believed that when one dies for their religious causes God immediately looks at the person's underwear. This is so because spirits are bare naked in the above kingdom.

So by eradicating underwear DHS is preventing any potential terrorist attack that may have been ready to be put on practice. No religious terrorist can risk taking terrorist risky measures without first assuring themselves decent underwear that would be appealing to God.
 
Complains that DHS is doing too much

Complains that DHS is not doing enough

As usual, you miss the point. It should be:

"Complains the DHS is focusing on the WRONG things". Duh. :lamo
 
in 2001-2002, i was a libertarian who opposed the patriot act and a new DHS agency. i was told by Republicans that the new powers would not be abused, and i was asked why i wanted to help the terrorists (well, actually, they asked "why do you want to help the terrorist?" they never could get the plural right on that for some reason.)

welp, there you go. the patriot act is being used for whatever they want, we have an agency that records literally everything that happens electronically, and the DHS is raiding places to track down fake underwear.

i am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

Creating DHS has nothing to do with it. This would happen whether there was or wasnt a DHS. It would just be done under some other name. Govt is the problem, not just parts of govt.
 
Creating DHS has nothing to do with it. This would happen whether there was or wasnt a DHS. It would just be done under some other name. Govt is the problem, not just parts of govt.

this argument is identical to a liberal posting "it's corporations that are the problem. not just some corporations." it's not that monochromatic.
 
this argument is identical to a liberal posting "it's corporations that are the problem. not just some corporations." it's not that monochromatic.

But it is. DHS is simply a symptom of the real problem, which is big government in general. DHS was supposed to be a fix for the problem of many separate departments not communicating which each other. But all it did was add yet another layer to the bureaucracy. The solution is/was the same in both cases. Less govt, less power.
 
But it is. DHS is simply a symptom of the real problem, which is big government in general. DHS was supposed to be a fix for the problem of many separate departments not communicating which each other. But all it did was add yet another layer to the bureaucracy. The solution is/was the same in both cases. Less govt, less power.

i don't agree with your bumper sticker slogan conservatism any more than i agree with monochromatic anti-corporate liberalism. reality is much more nuanced.
 
Perhaps practical, logical, or appropriate would have been a better choice of words.

Lets start off by pointing out that DHS is the proper agency to handle this

While knock-off merchandise might not seem to fall under the purview of Homeland Security, ICE says*HSI plays a "leading role in targeting criminal organizations responsible for producing, smuggling and distributing counterfeit products."

The enforcement, while having nothing to do with immigration, apparently falls within the "customs" mandate of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.*

Asked why counterfeit merchandise raids like this are handled by ICE, Neudauer explained that U.S. Customs investigators were placed within ICE when the Department of Homeland Security was formed in 2003. Those investigators have jurisdiction over hundreds of federal statutes, mostly involving customs-related issues. ICE also runs an intellectual property rights coordination center.

Kansas City lingerie shopowners in a twist after Homeland Security's panty raid | Fox News

A lawsuit would take more time than a cease and desist, it would cost more taxpayer money to have a trial and it would probably bankrupt a small business.

So in short to satisfy your anti-DHS bloodlust you want to waste time, taxpayer money and destroy a small business. You sir are a monster.
 
Lets start off by pointing out that DHS is the proper agency to handle this



Kansas City lingerie shopowners in a twist after Homeland Security's panty raid | Fox News

A lawsuit would take more time than a cease and desist, it would cost more taxpayer money to have a trial and it would probably bankrupt a small business.

So in short to satisfy your anti-DHS bloodlust you want to waste time, taxpayer money and destroy a small business. You sir are a monster.

So, the DHS actually saved this small business from a ruinous lawsuit by raiding their panties and taking them off of he shelf?

Do you feel more secure knowing that the government has created such a powerful and all encompassing new agency to keep the homeland secure?
 
i don't agree with your bumper sticker slogan conservatism any more than i agree with monochromatic anti-corporate liberalism. reality is much more nuanced.

Im not a conservative. That was bumperstick libertarianism.
 
Protecting intellectual property is one of the things they are supposed to be doing.

No it's not. DHS appears to justify this panty raid based on a customs violation.

I'm in the screen printing business, and it is almost certain that the supposed infringement occurred after the blank textiles entered the country.

Most screen printing of this nature is done locally. Mostly due to the time lag of imports vs the ability of the local printer getting the job done in a few hours.

DHS needs to concentrate on securing the homeland, something at which they fail miserably, and leave copyright infringement to the department of copyright infringement, or in the civil courts.
 
Lets start off by pointing out that DHS is the proper agency to handle this



Kansas City lingerie shopowners in a twist after Homeland Security's panty raid | Fox News

A lawsuit would take more time than a cease and desist, it would cost more taxpayer money to have a trial and it would probably bankrupt a small business.

So in short to satisfy your anti-DHS bloodlust you want to waste time, taxpayer money and destroy a small business. You sir are a monster.

Again, unless these textiles were printed outside the US, which is unlikely, this is not a customs violation. It is a trademark violation. In my experience, these cases are handled in civil courts, if they get that far. Generally it's a cease and desist letter.

It doesn't matter whether or not it would cost more to pursue through civil or criminal courts. It probably would cost more to defend a criminal charge. But that is not relevant. Law is not based on the cost to defend.

There is possibly more to this story, but from the article, DHS has better things to do.
 
Now that we're square on that, where is the nuance in being specifically opposed to DHS in contrast to being generally opposed to big govt, period?

one can be opposed to a government program without being opposed to government in general. that's the nuance.
 
Again, unless these textiles were printed outside the US, which is unlikely, this is not a customs violation. It is a trademark violation. In my experience, these cases are handled in civil courts, if they get that far. Generally it's a cease and desist letter.

It doesn't matter whether or not it would cost more to pursue through civil or criminal courts. It probably would cost more to defend a criminal charge. But that is not relevant. Law is not based on the cost to defend.

There is possibly more to this story, but from the article, DHS has better things to do.

That is what happened in this case maybe you should read up on it
 
Why aren't they enforcing border security? We have immigration laws, too.

So because they arent up to par on enforcing immigration law they shouldnt bother enforcing any laws?
 
So, the DHS actually saved this small business from a ruinous lawsuit by raiding their panties and taking them off of he shelf?

No the MLB saved a small business by only requesting a cease and desist and not suing them as you would have done

Do you feel more secure knowing that the government has created such a powerful and all encompassing new agency to keep the homeland secure?

Well i dont feel less secure
 
So because they arent up to par on enforcing immigration law they shouldnt bother enforcing any laws?

They're not, "not up to par". They just flat aren't enforcing the law.
 

From the IPR web site. Their focus is on global infringement.

It is highly unlikely that a few dozen time sensitive items of the owners design would have entered the country printed. We buy the shirts, panties, whatever, from an importer, then do the printing. In a rush we can have the item out the door in a couple of hours.

Unless their is more to the story, this seems to be another over reach of a government department.

About the IPR Center
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) led National Intellectual Property Rights Coordination Center (IPR Center) stands at the forefront of the United States Government's response to global intellectual property (IP) theft and enforcement of its international trade laws. The mission of the IPR Center is to ensure national security by protecting the public's health and safety, the U.S. economy, and our war fighters, and to stop predatory and unfair trade practices that threaten the global economy. To accomplish this goal, the IPR Center brings together 21 partner agencies, consisting of 17 key federal agencies, Interpol, Europol and the governments of Canada and Mexico in a task-force setting. The task force structure enables the IPR Center to effectively leverage the resources, skills, and authorities of each partner and provide a comprehensive response to IP theft. The IPR Center is led by an ICE-HSI Director with Deputy Directors from HSI and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP).
 
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