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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Truth always comes out and should. The USA and our allies need to know where our tax dollars are going and the results of our policies. Our enemies already hate us. If new people start hating us it would be because they know the truth about what we do.
    I don't have a problem with the truth coming out. It should. But there's no need to feed the rabid dogs fresh meat by releasing the pictures. We don't show the pictures of the bloody mangled bodies homicide victims on TV or in the newspaper, and we shouldn't show these either.
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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

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    You reap what you sow. When ISIS beheaded people it probably helped recruit people to join their opponents.
    No - not in this instance. The Jihadists will not go after our government officials that ordered or committed this. They will kill innocent Americans. Unless you think that all citizens of the US should reap the horror that could be brought by showing these pictures, I don't think there is any comparison in your statement of "you reap what you sow."
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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I don't have a problem with the truth coming out. It should. But there's no need to feed the rabid dogs fresh meat by releasing the pictures. We don't show the pictures of the bloody mangled bodies homicide victims on TV or in the newspaper, and we shouldn't show these either.
    We show the pictures of people massacred in war and killed in genocidal mass murders. Many people need to see things to really understand them.

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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

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    We show the pictures of people massacred in war and killed in genocidal mass murders. Many people need to see things to really understand them.
    So, you do feel that all US civilians should be harmed by this? Good to know.
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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    No - not in this instance. The Jihadists will not go after our government officials that ordered or committed this. They will kill innocent Americans. Unless you think that all citizens of the US should reap the horror that could be brought by showing these pictures, I don't think there is any comparison in your statement of "you reap what you sow."
    Americans decided to legalize government torture for the first time in our history. Someone should have thought about the consequences before they started. Many of us warned them.

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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

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    So, you do feel that all US civilians should be harmed by this? Good to know.
    I never support violence accept for self defense. My position is that all torturers should be given a fair trial. If they can justify the torture as truly necessary they will be acquitted. I am not interested in covering up our government's crimes to be a little safer.

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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Americans decided to legalize government torture for the first time in our history. Someone should have thought about the consequences before they started. Many of us warned them.
    Americans? All Americans? Are you an American? I thought only certain government officials did this?

    I seriously can't fathom why you feel it's okay to harm innocent civilians, even if they are Americans?
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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I never support violence accept for self defense. My position is that all torturers should be given a fair trial. If they can justify the torture as truly necessary they will be acquitted. I am not interested in covering up our government's crimes to be a little safer.
    Where did I condone covering anything up? I clearly stated that they needed to be investigated and prosecuted if it was deemed that they did torture. What I have a problem with, but you seem to not, is causing harm to innocent civilians by the release of the pictures.

    Think about it a minute... if you condone release of the pictures, you are in fact condoning the harming of innocent civilians, which is not violence in self defense like you say you only believe in.
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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Beaten, forced to eat food out of a toilet, sexually assaulted: New Details of Prison Abuse Emerge (washingtonpost.com)

    Also many people have died under our control as well while being "enhancedly interrogated"
    Don't be silly. That is an old article I read years ago. That was mistreatment, but not torture. Also it was not the government. It was some idiots getting their kicks. There might have been torture by government. That was not it.

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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Where did I condone covering anything up? I clearly stated that they needed to be investigated and prosecuted if it was deemed that they did torture. What I have a problem with, but you seem to not, is causing harm to innocent civilians by the release of the pictures.

    Think about it a minute... if you condone release of the pictures, you are in fact condoning the harming of innocent civilians, which is not violence in self defense like you say you only believe in.
    Americans need to see what is being done in their name because most of us encouraged it or passively allowed it. Our enemies know what we do to them, it is the American people that are in the dark about what has been done.

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