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US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

If you bothered to look it up, you'd see that nationalism and patriotism are synonymous.

A nation is a tool, not something to praise or make part of yourself. A nation doesn't earn my loyalty because there is nothing to be loyal towards. It is a tool that if it is to my benefit I accept, and if it is not, I don't.
 
A nation is a tool, not something to praise or make part of yourself. A nation doesn't earn my loyalty because there is nothing to be loyal towards. It is a tool that if it is to my benefit I accept, and if it is not, I don't.

If you knew you could save American lives by roughing up a prisoner, would you do it?
 
No, I'll continue being pissed off that my country is starting unnecessary wars and torturing innocent people. Neither mexican children crossing a line in the sand nor a disease that has killed a grand total of one person, and isn't even airborne mind you, concern me as much as the blatant killing of innocents. Immigration and ebola are nothing but distractions from the crimes against humanity being committed by the US Government.

So, it's ideology you stand on, not principle.
 
So, you do feel that all US civilians should be harmed by this? Good to know.

You are living your life in a santa clause theory. Of course people need to know and see reality to make real choices.
 
Americans? All Americans? Are you an American? I thought only certain government officials did this?

I seriously can't fathom why you feel it's okay to harm innocent civilians, even if they are Americans?
You cant really argue that if even 1 innocent got tortured. That would be hypocritical.
 
We show the pictures of people massacred in war and killed in genocidal mass murders. Many people need to see things to really understand them.

What mass murder?
 
Did you notice the 500 tons of yellow cake that was revealed recently? It was a violation of the 1991 cease fire agreement, along with several UN resolutions.

There are bad people out there and there are no points for second place.

lol its been how many years after the fact? I dont think the old regime was in control of that yellow cake.
 
Perhaps, but these would obviously serve as recruiting tools for furthering their cause. Don't pour fuel on a fire, etc.

Or what if it was actually really really horrible. And then Americans changed their governments based on seeing the horror. And then fixed a few problems. And that made it easier to friendly with the scary chanting brown people and figure out who really is a threat.
 
lol its been how many years after the fact? I dont think the old regime was in control of that yellow cake.

Gee, where did it come from, then? Ya think Joe Wilson lied his ass off when he said Niger wasn't selling yellow cake to Iraq?
 
Perhaps, but these would obviously serve as recruiting tools for furthering their cause. Don't pour fuel on a fire, etc.

They don't neex recruiting tools. They already hate us. They hated us before we tortured anybody. Being nice to them isn't going to do any good. Canada tried that approach and look what good it did.
 
If you knew you could save American lives by toturing a prisoner, would you do it?

No, and these people were not trying to save American lives. They were trying to feel powerful and to get this feeling they abused fellow human beings.

Do you remember the old excuse people like yourself used for these people? "Oh, they were just stressed", because as we all know how to deal with stress is to strip people naked, make them bark like dogs, force them to masturbate, and for good measure rape a few of them. Yup, I hear everyone does that kind of stuff when they get stressed. Yup.
 
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No, and these people were not trying to save American lives. They were trying to feel powerful and to get this feeling they abused fellow human beings.

Do you remember the old excuse people like yourself used for these people? "Oh, they were just stressed", because as we all know how to deal with stress is to strip people naked, make them bark like dogs, force them to masturbate, and for good measure rape a few of them. Yup, I hear everyone does that kind of stuff when they get stressed. Yup.

So, you would do nothing while Americans died? So much for principle. You post says it all.
 
So, you would do nothing while Americans died? So much for principle. You post says it all.

Did you ever consider that my principles include not torturing people?
 
Did you ever consider that my principles include not torturing people?

My principles don't include doing nothing while others die for my principles. I hope you can sleep well at night.
 
My principles don't include doing nothing while others die for my principles. I hope you can sleep well at night.

Sure, and how much will torturing people help your cause? As for me, I can think of more effective and less inhumane ways to save peoples lives.
 

I'm still waiting for the photos of a dead Osama bin Laden to be released.

Oh wait a sec, someone already issued an unlawful order that they be destroyed.
 
Sure, and how much will torturing people help your cause? As for me, I can think of more effective and less inhumane ways to save peoples lives.

If I obtain information that saves American lives, it helped my cause tremendously. I put my country and my countrymen ahead of any ideology, but then my ideology isn't anti-American, by nature.
 
If I obtain information that saves American lives, it helped my cause tremendously. I put my country and my countrymen ahead of any ideology, but then my ideology isn't anti-American, by nature.

You know, I'm not really interested in this little "my ideology is the one true American ideology" fight. Not only is it stupid, but it is completely laughable that people like you would think their ideology would qualify. Anyway, chances are you will get false information because the individual in question just wants you to stop abusing them. I sure hope all that torture didn't take up valuable time that you could have been using on effective methods.
 
You know, I'm not really interested in this little "my ideology is the one true American ideology" fight. Not only is it stupid, but it is completely laughable that people like you would think their ideology would qualify. Anyway, chances are you will get false information because the individual in question just wants you to stop abusing them. I sure hope all that torture didn't take up valuable time that you could have been using on effective methods.

You're the one that has to live with the deaths of your fellow Americans, not me.
 
You're the one that has to live with the deaths of your fellow Americans, not me.

Whatever I decide to do there is a chance it might not work, but at least I know I didn't lose myself by doing barbaric things to people with the hope it might gain me some information.
 
You cant really argue that if even 1 innocent got tortured. That would be hypocritical.

I hope I misunderstood your point here, but just in case I didn't, I suggest you may want to go get a weapon and help ISIS or AQAP or someone else that feels like you do. Because I do not feel that my position is hypocritical at all, yet the position of a few here that retribution against the American people (innocent civilians that had nothing to do with the torturing) is just fine and that they should be targeted and killed by the jihadists... dang sure is hypocritical - which is exactly what would happen.
 
You reap what you sow. When ISIS beheaded people it probably helped recruit people to join their opponents.

Probably. It probably also served as a recruitment tool.


Given your assumption that it was a net loss for them, however, why would we want to repeat their error and encourage people to join terrorist groups?
 
Sure, and how much will torturing people help your cause?

My life was probably saved at one point because by torture. The really ****ty thing about torture is that it works. :(

As for me, I can think of more effective and less inhumane ways to save peoples lives.

What level SERE graduate are you?
 
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