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US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

cpwill said:
Information Operations. More like "we don't want to enable terrorists in killing people"
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How would the pictures do that?
 
Beaudreaux said:
Nor should we. Investigate, and prosecute if it is required, but there is absolutely no reason to give the Jihadists more fuel (pictures that can be interpreted different ways) to add to the flames of terrorism.
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Truth always comes out and should. The USA and our allies need to know where our tax dollars are going and the results of our policies. Our enemies already hate us. If new people start hating us it would be because they know the truth about what we do.
 
joG said:
What in Abu Graib? The girl with the leash? You don't seem to be able to be very specific. So it's an unspecified crime, huh. Sounds like pure propaganda.
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Perhaps these include a few of the dead ones that didn't respond well to "enhanced interrogation.? Eh?
 
Hard Truth said:
How would the pictures do that?
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Recruitment, fund-raising, inspiration - you name it.

Are you really unaware (for example) of the power that the Abu Ghraib pictures had in enabling AQI?
 
cpwill said:
Recruitment, fund-raising, inspiration - you name it.

Are you really unaware (for example) of the power that the Abu Ghraib pictures had in enabling AQI?
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You reap what you sow. When ISIS beheaded people it probably helped recruit people to join their opponents.
 
DaveFagan said:
Perhaps these include a few of the dead ones that didn't respond well to "enhanced interrogation.? Eh?
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Interrogation was not the pictures problem. That was naughty girly fun with the boys.
 
Hard Truth said:
Truth always comes out and should. The USA and our allies need to know where our tax dollars are going and the results of our policies. Our enemies already hate us. If new people start hating us it would be because they know the truth about what we do.
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I don't have a problem with the truth coming out. It should. But there's no need to feed the rabid dogs fresh meat by releasing the pictures. We don't show the pictures of the bloody mangled bodies homicide victims on TV or in the newspaper, and we shouldn't show these either.
 
Hard Truth said:
You reap what you sow. When ISIS beheaded people it probably helped recruit people to join their opponents.
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No - not in this instance. The Jihadists will not go after our government officials that ordered or committed this. They will kill innocent Americans. Unless you think that all citizens of the US should reap the horror that could be brought by showing these pictures, I don't think there is any comparison in your statement of "you reap what you sow."
 
Beaudreaux said:
I don't have a problem with the truth coming out. It should. But there's no need to feed the rabid dogs fresh meat by releasing the pictures. We don't show the pictures of the bloody mangled bodies homicide victims on TV or in the newspaper, and we shouldn't show these either.
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We show the pictures of people massacred in war and killed in genocidal mass murders. Many people need to see things to really understand them.
 
Beaudreaux said:
No - not in this instance. The Jihadists will not go after our government officials that ordered or committed this. They will kill innocent Americans. Unless you think that all citizens of the US should reap the horror that could be brought by showing these pictures, I don't think there is any comparison in your statement of "you reap what you sow."
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Americans decided to legalize government torture for the first time in our history. Someone should have thought about the consequences before they started. Many of us warned them.
 
Beaudreaux said:
So, you do feel that all US civilians should be harmed by this? Good to know.
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I never support violence accept for self defense. My position is that all torturers should be given a fair trial. If they can justify the torture as truly necessary they will be acquitted. I am not interested in covering up our government's crimes to be a little safer.
 
Hard Truth said:
Americans decided to legalize government torture for the first time in our history. Someone should have thought about the consequences before they started. Many of us warned them.
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Americans? All Americans? Are you an American? I thought only certain government officials did this?

I seriously can't fathom why you feel it's okay to harm innocent civilians, even if they are Americans?
 
Hard Truth said:
I never support violence accept for self defense. My position is that all torturers should be given a fair trial. If they can justify the torture as truly necessary they will be acquitted. I am not interested in covering up our government's crimes to be a little safer.
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Where did I condone covering anything up? I clearly stated that they needed to be investigated and prosecuted if it was deemed that they did torture. What I have a problem with, but you seem to not, is causing harm to innocent civilians by the release of the pictures.

Think about it a minute... if you condone release of the pictures, you are in fact condoning the harming of innocent civilians, which is not violence in self defense like you say you only believe in.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Beaten, forced to eat food out of a toilet, sexually assaulted: New Details of Prison Abuse Emerge (washingtonpost.com)

Also many people have died under our control as well while being "enhancedly interrogated"
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Don't be silly. That is an old article I read years ago. That was mistreatment, but not torture. Also it was not the government. It was some idiots getting their kicks. There might have been torture by government. That was not it.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Where did I condone covering anything up? I clearly stated that they needed to be investigated and prosecuted if it was deemed that they did torture. What I have a problem with, but you seem to not, is causing harm to innocent civilians by the release of the pictures.

Think about it a minute... if you condone release of the pictures, you are in fact condoning the harming of innocent civilians, which is not violence in self defense like you say you only believe in.
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Americans need to see what is being done in their name because most of us encouraged it or passively allowed it. Our enemies know what we do to them, it is the American people that are in the dark about what has been done.
 
joG said:
Don't be silly. That is an old article I read years ago. That was mistreatment, but not torture.
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:lamo Of course it isnt, besides just about every human rights document and the Geneva Convention we have signed on to describes it as torture.

Also it was not the government.
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US Soldiers arent part of the government?

It was some idiots getting their kicks. There might have been torture by government. That was not it.
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TheDemSocialist said:
:lamo Of course it isnt, besides just about every human rights document and the Geneva Convention we have signed on to describes it as torture.


US Soldiers arent part of the government?


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I know the Convention and soldiers are only "the government" when they are acting on its behalf.
 
If it was hidden then it was probably very very very bad. I remember at the time it claimed it depicted scenes of rape, mutilation and murder. So i guess you can argue its a matter of "national security" if the evidence would make just about the entire world turn against us.
 
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