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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    After the fact? OK then why the transparency?
    Why should we publicize the pictures? We shouldn't. These images should remain classified not least because of the IO advantage it could offer the enemy.

    It's been know for some time that if the enemy knows they will be surveyed/inquired/ tortured (and how) they will find means to overcome it.
    sort of. They go through resistance training, the same as we do. However, the rules of their faith (and, this is interesting) only require them to hold out as long as they can, and then they can give us whatever they want guilt-Free. That's why KSM told us we should waterboard every member of al-Qaeda we could get; it allowed him to cooperate with us and end hostile interrogation in favor of collaborative interaction.

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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

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    With 2,100 photos, there must be quite a few taken at each of those few incidents.
    Not really. That is only one of a number of possibilities. That you chose the alternative you did makes me suspect you have a certain prejudice?

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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Why should we publicize the pictures? We shouldn't. These images should remain classified not least because of the IO advantage it could offer the enemy.



    sort of. They go through resistance training, the same as we do. However, the rules of their faith (and, this is interesting) only require them to hold out as long as they can, and then they can give us whatever they want guilt-Free. That's why KSM told us we should waterboard every member of al-Qaeda we could get; it allowed him to cooperate with us and end hostile interrogation in favor of collaborative interaction.
    But then again, lying to infidels is also allowed.

    Guess I don't have a lot of patience or sympathy for some of these people.
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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

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    Not really. That is only one of a number of possibilities. That you chose the alternative you did makes me suspect you have a certain prejudice?
    According to the judge in the article, they are not all actually problematic.

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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    But then again, lying to infidels is also allowed.
    True. And difficult to do to a trained interrogator over time.

    Guess I don't have a lot of patience or sympathy for some of these people.
    Nope. If you help kill innocents on purpose, I'm not terribly upset if you get knocked around.

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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That would be typical. I did a few torture investigations of the Iraqi's we were working with, and it would be common for (for example) me to send up somewhere between 8-12 photos with each piece of paperwork. You gotta show original discovery, individual injuries, whole of individual, receipt of medical care, etc.

    The President (on this one) is correct.

    What I find interesting is (given that we are already airing the investigations) why there is the need for "the pictures" of what they are already openly putting out there occurring.

    My bet is that folks who are pursuing the pictures hope that it will have the same effect that the video of that idiot football player knocking his wife out did - put a story that we already had in a more emotional context causing folks to change their minds. Picture v a thousand words and what that. The problem with that is that many of those people will change their minds and decide to engage in violence because of it.
    The pictures could be helpful, if the documented a before and afterwards showing someone lost an eye or limb by the CIA agents. But if they are like the English photos the will show that there was no torture but revolting misconduct.

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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    According to the judge in the article, they are not all actually problematic.
    What or who is not problematic?

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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

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    More evidence of systematic torture during our occupation in Iraq, and War in Afghanistan. We need to expose all of it, put on trial the perpetrators, and analyze why it happened and how we can stop it.

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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ...These images should remain classified not least because of the IO advantage it could offer the enemy....
    I don't know what you mean by IO, but I assume you mean "we can't let the truth come out because we will look bad." Am I wrong?

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    Re: US ordered to explain withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan torture photos

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    What or who is not problematic?
    some of the pictures

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