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Liberal Gun Control Activist Caught Packing Gun[W:188]

Flamethrower said:
Well, how about your never-ending ideas supporting gun registrations?

Registration lead to confiscations---as history has proved.

Breaking: Gun Confiscation Begins in New York! | Conservative Daily
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Conservative Daily is not a site that delivers proof of anything other than its reader's like political porn.

My favorite line: "....These two stories are in their infancy, however what is 100% VERIFIABLE is the fact that in every instance in modern history, firearm registration leads to confiscation!...."..... yet offers NOTHING verifiable. In essence, you just supported your statement that "....Registration lead to confiscations---as history has proved...." with some rag stating...."what is 100% VERIFIABLE is the fact that in every instance in modern history, firearm registration leads to confiscation!..." Two erroneous impressions do not make for fact.

I am not certain what it is about the NRA and many gun zealots that take this binary view of gun opinion: A) you must support abated gun ownership or B) you are anti-gun. That is simply not an intelligent position. There are a spectrum of positions people can have on guns and gun ownership. This Missouri legislature apparently resides on the spectrum (as she is intelligent).... the people that think that she is some type of hypocrite given the facts live on the extremes..... Extreme positions are rarely intelligent positions.
 
TurtleDude said:
again that is stupid assuming unrestricted access
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Whether access is assumed or isn't, you still fail to tell us how this restricts gun ownership. Can you tell us how? 6+ posts and you refuse to answer a simple question.

its all about liberal idiots wanting to stigmatize gun ownership.

your question is stupid, and a straw man. if a kid brings a gun to school and it is determined to be the parent's gun the parent is in hot water. TELL ME what good this stupid law does.

the law you seem to support (maybe because its a black Democrat pushing it and it appears to be directed against white conservatives) does nothing additional other than try to stigmatize gun ownership
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Oh no! Gun ownership is stigmatized! Well, that's pretty relative and depends on how emotional you are about guns. I'm not. With that said, can you tell us how gun ownership being stigmatized restrict your right to own guns? You know the answer Tutle: It doesn't.
 
Hatuey said:
Ah, so now it's the parental notification. Fine - simple: By reporting to the school that they own guns, (good or bad) parents are made aware that if their children have unrestricted access to those guns - they will be held responsible for the actions of their children if anything were to happen. So now, with that said: How does being held accountable for the actions of your kids restrict you from gun ownership?
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The last time I checked, schools were supposed to be in the business of educating children. That's why it's called the department of education. Holding parents accountable for breaking laws is the job of ATF, FBI, or DOJ.

Since the schools are not in the parent acounting business, there must be something else going on here. My best guess - harassment/indoctrination of the children of gun owners, or data collection for other purposes.
 
jimbo said:
The last time I checked, schools were supposed to be in the business of educating children.
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Great, but the 1930s are long gone now, iPads exist and the world is far more connected. Schools should be informed if a parent owns a gun just like they should be informed of any child who needs special meds, has a juvenile record, allergies etc. It allows the school to better deal with an incident. Now, whatever you think the school is doing has no bearing on the question: How does a school knowing about parents who own weapons stop those parents from owning weapons? Remember, the argument here is "gun control". So I'm asking how notifying a school that you own a gun controls your gun ownership rights.
 
upsideguy said:
Conservative Daily is not a site that delivers proof of anything other than its reader's like political porn.

My favorite line: "....These two stories are in their infancy, however what is 100% VERIFIABLE is the fact that in every instance in modern history, firearm registration leads to confiscation!...."..... yet offers NOTHING verifiable. In essence, you just supported your statement that "....Registration lead to confiscations---as history has proved...." with some rag stating...."what is 100% VERIFIABLE is the fact that in every instance in modern history, firearm registration leads to confiscation!..." Two erroneous impressions do not make for fact.

I am not certain what it is about the NRA and many gun zealots that take this binary view of gun opinion: A) you must support abated gun ownership or B) you are anti-gun. That is simply not an intelligent position. There are a spectrum of positions people can have on guns and gun ownership. This Missouri legislature apparently resides on the spectrum (as she is intelligent).... the people that think that she is some type of hypocrite given the facts live on the extremes..... Extreme positions are rarely intelligent positions.
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What is this area we are posting in? Non-Mainstream media, pray tell?

So, this isn't going to be covered in USA Today.

My quote that gun registration DOES lead to gun confiscation is true---but I didn't say gun registration leads to confiscation IMMEDIATELY, or EVERY TIME.

The erosion of gun rights in blue states is on going.
 
Hatuey said:
Great, but the 1930s are long gone now, iPads exist and the world is far more connected. Schools should be informed if a parent owns a gun just like they should be informed of any child who needs special meds, has a juvenile record, allergies etc. It allows the school to better deal with an incident.
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The school has no responsibility to deal with an "incident" involving guns in a student's home...just like the school has no responsibility to deal with an incident involving a dildo in a student's home.

Unless, of course, you think information on dildos in the home should be reported to the school, as well.
 
Hatuey said:
Great, but the 1930s are long gone now, iPads exist and the world is far more connected. Schools should be informed if a parent owns a gun just like they should be informed of any child who needs special meds, has a juvenile record, allergies etc. It allows the school to better deal with an incident. Now, whatever you think the school is doing has no bearing on the question: How does a school knowing about parents who own weapons stop those parents from owning weapons? Remember, the argument here is "gun control". So I'm asking how notifying a school that you own a gun controls your gun ownership rights.
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Giving a school information about parental gun ownership mitigates nothing, and serves no value.

My kids shoot, but cannot wear gun shirts in school - and that sword cuts both ways - schools deserve no information regarding private family business.
 
Mycroft said:
The school has no responsibility to deal with an "incident" involving guns in a student's home...just like the school has no responsibility to deal with an incident involving a dildo in a student's home.

Unless, of course, you think information on dildos in the home should be reported to the school, as well.
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Creepy but acceptable logic.

Same impact either way.....nothing of value.
 
SMTA said:
Giving a school information about parental gun ownership mitigates nothing, and serves no value.

My kids shoot, but cannot wear gun shirts in school - and that sword cuts both ways - schools deserve no information regarding private family business.
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You are missing his point. The proposed law did not in any way restrict gun ownership. What is happening here is that people are calling some one a hypocrite for doing something she has never argued against nor legislated against. Plus at least one poster here has super ESP powers so he can tell what people he has never meant are really thinking. Rarely has a thread turned into a case of self ownage at a level this one has, and those owning themselves have no clue they are doing it.
 
Hatuey said:
Whether access is assumed or isn't, you still fail to tell us how this restricts gun ownership. Can you tell us how? 6+ posts and you refuse to answer a simple question.



Oh no! Gun ownership is stigmatized! Well, that's pretty relative and depends on how emotional you are about guns. I'm not. With that said, can you tell us how gun ownership being stigmatized restrict your right to own guns? You know the answer Tutle: It doesn't.
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You are engaged in silly contrarian nonsense. You are ignoring the obvious in order to argue for the sake of arguing. I find that a waste of time. YOu want to defend a silly black Democrat even though you are unable to defend her stupid proposed law
 
Redress said:
You are missing his point. The proposed law did not in any way restrict gun ownership. What is happening here is that people are calling some one a hypocrite for doing something she has never argued against nor legislated against. Plus at least one poster here has super ESP powers so he can tell what people he has never meant are really thinking. Rarely has a thread turned into a case of self ownage at a level this one has, and those owning themselves have no clue they are doing it.
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can you imagine if someone were to demand gays tell the schools if they are gay? It wouldn't restrict gay marriage but that isn't the issue.
 
Redress said:
You are missing his point. The proposed law did not in any way restrict gun ownership. What is happening here is that people are calling some one a hypocrite for doing something she has never argued against nor legislated against. Plus at least one poster here has super ESP powers so he can tell what people he has never meant are really thinking. Rarely has a thread turned into a case of self ownage at a level this one has, and those owning themselves have no clue they are doing it.
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The radical gun supporters always remind me of rabid dogs, frothing at the mouth, always looking for even the faintest whiff of the slightest hint of gun control in order to unleash their fury. Usually the truth doesn't matter to them nearly so much as their rabid hatred.

To clarify, not all gun supporters are rabid/radical, but, unfortunately, those who are seem to drown out the ones who actually possess common sense.
 
TurtleDude said:
can you imagine if someone were to demand gays tell the schools if they are gay? It wouldn't restrict gay marriage but that isn't the issue.
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Whether the law is a good idea or not, and what a law actually does are two different things. I tend to think the law is a bad idea, but it does not restrict gun ownership or carrying guns.
 
Redress said:
You are missing his point. The proposed law did not in any way restrict gun ownership. What is happening here is that people are calling some one a hypocrite for doing something she has never argued against nor legislated against. Plus at least one poster here has super ESP powers so he can tell what people he has never meant are really thinking. Rarely has a thread turned into a case of self ownage at a level this one has, and those owning themselves have no clue they are doing it.
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I said nothing about restricting anything.

What is in our home is nobody's business.

That simple.
 
Slyfox696 said:
The radical gun supporters always remind me of rabid dogs, frothing at the mouth, always looking for even the faintest whiff of the slightest hint of gun control in order to unleash their fury. Usually the truth doesn't matter to them nearly so much as their rabid hatred.

To clarify, not all gun supporters are rabid/radical, but, unfortunately, those who are seem to drown out the ones who actually possess common sense.
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I thought the story of Sen Nasheed was just plain funny-----and educational.
 
TurtleDude said:
You are engaged in silly contrarian nonsense. You are ignoring the obvious in order to argue for the sake of arguing. I find that a waste of time. YOu want to defend a silly black Democrat even though you are unable to defend her stupid proposed law
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So you can't tell us how this is an infringement on your right to own guns?
 
Mycroft said:
The school has no responsibility to deal with an "incident" involving guns in a student's home.
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Who said anything about students and their homes? The school does have a responsibility to deal with students who could bring a gun to school though.

..just like the school has no responsibility to deal with an incident involving a dildo in a student's home.
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Are dildos used in a lot of school shootings?
 
SMTA said:
Giving a school information about parental gun ownership mitigates nothing, and serves no value.
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Unless of course there is a school shooting... and we know how rare those are.

My kids shoot, but cannot wear gun shirts in school - and that sword cuts both ways - schools deserve no information regarding private family business.
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You do realize you're using school policy, to argue against school policy... yes? In both cases the school reserves the right to deal with any possible situations which may arise. In both cases, the right to exercise that right is not restricted. So again I ask: How does a school knowing about guns at home, restrict your right to own them?
 
While I disagree with one of the laws she was involved with (the 72 hour reporting of stolen weapon seems reasonable), I don't see how either of those laws could possibly make her a hypocrite for carrying a gun.
 
Hatuey said:
Unless of course there is a school shooting... and we know how rare those are.



You do realize you're using school policy, to argue against school policy... yes? In both cases the school reserves the right to deal with any possible situations which may arise. In both cases, the right to exercise that right is not restricted. So again I ask: How does a school knowing about guns at home, restrict your right to own them?
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I never said that is did - it is simply none of their business.

Nor is it the business of anyone outside of our nuclear family - the kids understand that family business stays inside the family.

Anyone can ask me if there are guns in the house, but most would get the standard 'it's non of your business' answer.

It serves no relevance for the school, and is private information.

All of our family business is private, not just gun ownership.

This is as it should be, and it supported by our COTUS, specifically the 4A.

No probable cause, no warrant, equals no information.

Quite simple.

If I ask to see the personnel records of my kid's teachers, I will be told that that is privileged information.

I would submit that the details contained within would help me to access that teacher's ability to teach my children, but to no avail.

Again, that sword cuts both ways.
 
Hatuey said:
Unless of course there is a school shooting... and we know how rare those are.



You do realize you're using school policy, to argue against school policy... yes? In both cases the school reserves the right to deal with any possible situations which may arise. In both cases, the right to exercise that right is not restricted. So again I ask: How does a school knowing about guns at home, restrict your right to own them?
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Funny, but I was unaware that a t-shirt was an indicator of impending doom.
 
SMTA said:
I never said that is did - it is simply none of their business.
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So then we are in agreement that neither of the laws presented a gun control laws and the OP is wrong. Yes?
 
SMTA said:
Funny, but I was unaware that a t-shirt was an indicator of impending doom.
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Clothing has restrictions which are in place to create a politically neutral zone (as well as avoiding conflict in the school). Different measures come as a result of different issues. Who'd have thunk it?
 
Hatuey said:
Who said anything about students and their homes? The school does have a responsibility to deal with students who could bring a gun to school though.



Are dildos used in a lot of school shootings?
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Oh...because they COULD bring a gun to school. Okay. But what about students who COULD bring a gun to school and doesn't HAVE a gun at home? Do you think students should report all their friends who have guns in their homes?

Or...if a student has guns at home, what is the school going to do? Discriminate against that student? Keep that student under surveillance? Start watching the parents?

This whole concept of schools needing to know about guns in the home is almost as ridiculous as requiring DOCTORS to ask about guns in the home. It's nothing more than liberal legislators invading the privacy of a group of people.

btw, dildos can cause severe psychological damage to fragile adolescents that the school will need to deal with...right? Or, maybe schools should require information on whether there are cigarettes in the home. Schools have to deal with students who smoke and they have a need to know what students to keep under observation to prevent them from bringing cigarettes to school. Or, how about hunting knives? Or archery equipment? Or propane cylinders? A student COULD bring all those items to school.

Bottom line...schools have the same amount of need for information about guns in a student's home as they have for any of the other things I mentioned. And that amount is...none.
 
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Mycroft said:
Do you think students should report all their friends who have guns in their homes?
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Do kids have to report the parents of kids with peanut allergies? No. Moving on. Next ridiculous scenario, please!
 
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