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Liberal Gun Control Activist Caught Packing Gun[W:188]

do you actually believe that crap you just wrote.


You clearly have absolutely no clue about law enforcement or this subject.

or human nature
 
TurtleDude said:
do you actually believe that crap you just wrote.


You clearly have absolutely no clue about law enforcement or this subject.

or human nature
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Nor common sense.
 
SMTA said:
Nor common sense.
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scenario #1

Little Guido takes a gun to school and is busted. Little Guido claims his dad left the gun in the living room. Cops got to dad and charge him with improper storage. No need to know dad had a gun until a crime was committed

Scenario #2. Little Guido gets a gun from Luka for some primo hydro. Little Guido gets busted and rats about Luka.

Scenario #3- Guido's parents are on the list of gun owners-Guido gets the gun from Luka but his parents are immediately named as suspects by the authorities
 
Hatuey said:
Don't complain cause I ignore the rest of your nonsense. Kids and parents don't have to notify schools of the allergies/guns/anything of others. You basically weaseled yourself out of that ridiculous slippery slope argument.
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Weaseled??

And here I was trying to apologize to you...
 
Mycroft said:
Weaseled??

And here I was trying to apologize to you...
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Hey, you are the one who couldn't keep your own argument slippery slope argument intact.
 
Hatuey said:
Hey, you are the one who couldn't keep your own argument slippery slope argument intact.
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But he did not intentionally modify quotes and lie like you did.
 
TurtleDude said:
scenario #1

Little Guido takes a gun to school and is busted. Little Guido claims his dad left the gun in the living room. Cops got to dad and charge him with improper storage. No need to know dad had a gun until a crime was committed
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Hole #1: What happens if the kid puts the gun back in storage before the police find him?

Scenario #2. Little Guido gets a gun from Luka for some primo hydro. Little Guido gets busted and rats about Luka.
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#2. Eh... so? This scenario has no end! I must know the end!

Scenario #3- Guido's parents are on the list of gun owners-Guido gets the gun from Luka but his parents are immediately named as suspects by the authorities
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#3. Lol... ummm why would the parents be named as a suspects of anything when the gun didn't belong to them and they committed no crime?

You're trying too hard.
 
SMTA said:
But he...
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3rd time you say this because your arguments are too weak to actually discuss what is being explained by that post. Do you understand what extrapolation means? If you don't, move along. This is no place for you, my child.
 
Hatuey said:
Hole #1: What happens if the kid puts the gun back in storage before the police find him?



#2. Eh... so? This scenario has no end! I must know the end!



#3. Lol... ummm why would the parents be named as a suspects of anything when the gun didn't belong to them and they committed no crime?

You're trying too hard.
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1) seems like the cops cannot prove he had a gun then does it

2) this happens a fair amount.

3) we don't have gun registration. That will be the next step people like that twit want. So how do the parents clear themselves? They are assumed to be the source of the gun if the kid doesn't fess up
 
TurtleDude said:
1) seems like the cops cannot prove he had a gun then does it
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Ummm... yes... then they check the kid's school records, find out his parents did - ask him to see the weapon. Little Guido doesn't sound like he'd have parents who'd admit such things anyways. :shrug:

2) this happens a fair amount.
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Eh... yeah... making scenarios about people getting killed... where no one gets killed.... in a discussion about reporting guns to school.... does happen a lot....

3) we don't have gun registration. That will be the next step people like that twit want.
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I split this in 2 because the first part made me laugh:

You really think you don't? Lol, you think the tens of thousands who buy guns/ammo with credit cards/debit cards every year aren't logged somewhere accessible by the US government? You think background checks aren't a form of registration? You think that every time people get a membership to a range, your information isn't registered somewhere accessible by the US government? You really think so? Federal gun registration in all its different variants is already as much a fact as Monday Night Football.

So how do the parents clear themselves? They are assumed to be the source of the gun if the kid doesn't fess up
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Can you rephrase this, I honestly have trouble seeing where this statement is going.
 
Hatuey said:
3rd time you say this because your arguments are too weak to actually discuss what is being explained by that post. Do you understand what extrapolation means? If you don't, move along. This is no place for you, my child.
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No place for unethical liars who repeat their dishonest behavior over and over.
 
Hatuey said:
Ummm... yes... then they check the kid's school records, find out his parents did - ask him to see the weapon. Little Guido doesn't sound like he'd have parents who'd admit such things anyways. :shrug:



Eh... yeah... making scenarios about people getting killed... where no one gets killed.... in a discussion about reporting guns to school.... does happen a lot....



I split this in 2 because the first part made me laugh:

You really think you don't? Lol, you think the tens of thousands who buy guns/ammo with credit cards/debit cards every year aren't logged somewhere accessible by the US government? You think background checks aren't a form of registration? You think that every time people get a membership to a range, your information isn't registered somewhere accessible by the US government? You really think so? Federal gun registration in all its different variants is already as much a fact as Monday Night Football.



Can you rephrase this, I honestly have trouble seeing where this statement is going.
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before I take this idiocy apart since I know gun laws in and out, answer me one question

How many guns have you ever bought?

the ATF cannot just go to a dealer and demand to see all the 4473s. Only if they have a gun can they find out who the first retail buyer was

when a BGC is done, all they ask is LONG-GUN OR HANDGUN for age restrictions. Not the gun type, serial number etc
 
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Those of you who choose to insult, bait, or snark at each other from here on out will be kicked out of the thread. Discuss the OP and the OP only.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Mo. :2wave:

Since they have tried a number of ways to attempt to discover how many people own guns, and more particularly who they are - which makes one wonder why they would want to know - I look at this as the latest attempt to abolish a right the Constitution states we have by law. Prediction: This won't work either, because the Second Amendment to the Constitution affirms the right of citizens to legally own guns. "No free man shall be debarred the use of arms." --Thomas Jefferson
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Greetings, Miss P :2wave:

Very well stated; unfortunately those on the left here can't comprehend your logical conclusion. :thumbs:
 
TurtleDude said:
before I take this idiocy apart since I know gun laws in and out, answer me one question

How many guns have you ever bought?

the ATF cannot just go to a dealer and demand to see all the 4473s. Only if they have a gun can they find out who the first retail buyer was
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Moving on to another argument? Okay Turtle, nobody said anything about the ATF or asking for all 4437s. What was said is that gun registries are already in existence through various means and you just provided another one, 4473s. The government doesn't need a gun registry because in the event of a criminal investigation, the guns you own are registered in 2-3 places as a minimum. Now: how does reporting that you own guns to a school infringe on your right to own guns? You can't even tell us how it stigmatizes gun owners.

Is the information publicly available? No.
Is the information available on demand to law enforcement? No.
Is there any right violated by having to provide it? No.

It's a shame you won't even admit those few issues and all you keep screaming is how this is a measure of gun control or some other nonsense. It isn't.
 
Hatuey said:
Moving on to another argument? Okay Turtle, nobody said anything about the ATF or asking for all 4437s. What was said is that gun registries are already in existence through various means and you just provided another one, 4473s. The government doesn't need a gun registry because in the event of a criminal investigation, the guns you own are registered in 2-3 places as a minimum. Now: how does reporting that you own guns to a school infringe on your right to own guns? You can't even tell us how it stigmatizes gun owners.

Is the information publicly available? No.
Is the information available on demand to law enforcement? No.
Is there any right violated by having to provide it? No.

It's a shame you won't even admit those few issues and all you keep screaming is how this is a measure of gun control or some other nonsense. It isn't.
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You still haven't told us what legitimate reason the school has
 
Suppose divorced father Joe lives in a rural Missouri town and has his minor son stay with him some weekends. The boy lives with his mother in a town 100 miles away and goes to school there. Money's tight with Joe, so although his occasional chats over a beer with his neighbor Frank have gotten him interested in target shooting, he's never wanted to spend the money for a rifle. One day Frank, who's just bought a new rifle, gives Joe his old .22 Marlin so he can accompany him to the local target range.

Under the bill she supported, Joe would be guilty of an infraction and could be fined $100, unless within a month of Frank's gift he sent his son's school a letter informing them of it. I take it back--this woman makes Cynthia McKinney look smart. Does she think--maybe from watching the lawless antics of President Pinocchio, who undoubtedly is her idol--that whenever the Constitution of the U.S. inconveniently interferes with one of her statist pipe dreams, she can just ignore it?

A few questions for her admirers here: Do you know what a fundamental right is, as the Supreme Court defines the term? Do you know what that means for laws that restrict any right that belongs to that select group? Do you know that in 2008, the Court held that the right to keep and bear arms applies to individual Americans, and that it is fundamental? Do you know in 2010, the Court held that that right is also protected against infringement by states? Do you know that Missouri is a state?
 
TurtleDude said:
You still haven't told us what legitimate reason the school has
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Since when does anyone need a legitimate reason for doing what's right? After all, our President doesn't worry about laws, and reasons for them, and all that dumb stuff. Why are you always sticking up for these bloodthirsty RW's? They just want to murder our children for the crime of being black, while they're not busy murdering helpless animals, just for fun. Guns hurt living things, and they are just plain yucky! Arms are for hugging, and violence never solved anything.
 
Flamethrower said:
What is this area we are posting in? Non-Mainstream media, pray tell?

So, this isn't going to be covered in USA Today.

My quote that gun registration DOES lead to gun confiscation is true---but I didn't say gun registration leads to confiscation IMMEDIATELY, or EVERY TIME.

The erosion of gun rights in blue states is on going.
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You are correct, this area is a safe haven for political porn posters. That said, you simply used an opinion piece to support your opinion, and that opinion piece was very poorly supported.... so, you in essence, posted a house of cards argument, and me as the building inspector, have condemned your structure, as it is woefully unsafe.
 
TurtleDude said:
You still haven't told us what legitimate reason the school has
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I have:

- allows parents to be aware that not locking their guns could carry prison time/fines etc.
- in the case of school shootings, it could help police narrow down suspects.
- parents who have children showing aggressive behavior can be warned that their children should stay away from guns.
- makes the school aware of who could bring guns to school.

Now: Tell us how having to report that you own a gun stigmatizes you? How would you be seen negatively by reporting that you own a gun to your kid's school?
 
Hatuey said:
I have:

- allows parents to be aware that not locking their guns could carry prison time/fines etc.
- in the case of school shootings, it could help police narrow down suspects.
- parents who have children showing aggressive behavior can be warned that their children should stay away from guns.
- makes the school aware of who could bring guns to school.

Now: Tell us how having to report that you own a gun stigmatizes you? How would you be seen negatively by reporting that you own a gun to your kid's school?
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the main issue I see is that it would stigmatize the children.

"his/her family owns GUNS, be careful around them because they might bring a gun in and kill us".
Even if there's zero chance of that, you know damn well kids and even teachers/administration would in some cases think that way.
Perhaps even single out kids for more scrutiny.
 
Hatuey said:
I have:

- allows parents to be aware that not locking their guns could carry prison time/fines etc.
- in the case of school shootings, it could help police narrow down suspects.
- parents who have children showing aggressive behavior can be warned that their children should stay away from guns.
- makes the school aware of who could bring guns to school.

Now: Tell us how having to report that you own a gun stigmatizes you? How would you be seen negatively by reporting that you own a gun to your kid's school?
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1) a complete joke-should parents who drink have to notify the school so as to be aware that drunk driving is a crime

2) if there is a shooting one would assume they found a shooter-there is your suspect-are you claiming every parent would be under suspicion. therefore the harassment concern is really

3) are parents of aggressive kids who did not claim to have guns going to receive no warning



I am a nationally prominent shooter. they'd know already
 
TurtleDude said:
1) a complete joke-should parents who drink have to notify the school so as to be aware that drunk driving is a crime
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Why go with alcohol? Hell, parents are regularly told to keep their alcohol away from kids through agendas, zero alcohol policies etc. Parents who have kids with allergies have report it to the school. :shrug: Does that stigmatize the children?

2) if there is a shooting one would assume they found a shooter-there is your suspect-are you claiming every parent would be under suspicion. therefore the harassment concern is really
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It's a good thing we're not working off assumptions.

3) are parents of aggressive kids who did not claim to have guns going to receive no warning
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Of course they do, counselors warn parents to keep their kids away from violent situations. Knowing that there are guns in the household provides a second reason to give that warning.

I am a nationally prominent shooter. they'd know already
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Good, then you don't have to report it. As to the other millions of parents with guns... they should.
 
Hatuey said:
Why go with alcohol? Hell, parents are regularly told to keep their alcohol away from kids through agendas, zero alcohol policies etc. Parents who have kids with allergies have report it to the school. :shrug: Does that stigmatize the children?



It's a good thing we're not working off assumptions.



Of course they do, counselors warn parents to keep their kids away from violent situations. Knowing that there are guns in the household provides a second reason to give that warning.



Good, then you don't have to report it. As to the other millions of parents with guns... they should.
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I disagree

the law wouldn't stand up in court

given how pathetic the arguments in support of the law is, its obviously something that twit in office pushed to pander to anti gun voters
 
The Mark said:
the main issue I see is that it would stigmatize the children.

"his/her family owns GUNS, be careful around them because they might bring a gun in and kill us".
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Do you know what happens to a teacher who discusses a student's school record openly with people they're not supposed to?

Even if there's zero chance of that, you know damn well kids and even teachers/administration would in some cases think that way.
Perhaps even single out kids for more scrutiny.
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Alright, I'm going to say this: That scenario wouldn't work well under any circumstance for the school. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen so there is no interest in using the fact that the kid's parents own guns if the situation doesn't call for it. Not only would the parents have grounds to claim that their children was discriminated against, it would be a **** storm for the school disctrict.
 
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