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McCain says he would support Rand Paul for President

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I'm not a Rand Paul supporter, but I don't blame him for who supports him.
 
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Being endorsed by McCain is like a giant smelly turd wanting to give you a hug. ew
 
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I'm not a Rand Paul supporter, but I don't blame him for who supports him.

Well I don't either, but if you're looking for someone fresh and divergent from the establishment, it should probably concern you when the candidate you support is enthusiastically backed by a good chunk of the establishment.
 
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Well I don't either, but if you're looking for someone fresh and divergent from the establishment, it should probably concern you when the candidate you support is enthusiastically backed by a good chunk of the establishment.

That sounds logical to me (a little obvious but nothing wrong with that).
 
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Well I don't either, but if you're looking for someone fresh and divergent from the establishment, it should probably concern you when the candidate you support is enthusiastically backed by a good chunk of the establishment.

Hey, Rich Richman backs Obama so what the hell.
 
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That sounds logical to me (a little obvious but nothing wrong with that).

Well it wasn't obvious to Obama supporters in 08 and it isn't obvious to Rand Paul supporters now. So...had to be said. :shrug:
 
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A rather key qualifier you are leaving out:



Um. Duh?

Yeah, because as he said, he can influence Rand. That's what makes it so concerning. He couldn't influence Ron and that's why McCain said multiple times that he wouldn't support Ron regardless if he got the nomination or not. Ron Paul wasn't perfect on the issues, but he was a legitimate outsider. His son seems to be more of a shill than anything else.
 
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Well it wasn't obvious to Obama supporters in 08 and it isn't obvious to Rand Paul supporters now. So...had to be said. :shrug:

Nor was it to Bush supporters before then.

It's like a never-ending vicious cycle.

My cynic tainted (tiny little piece of) hope is that if we're going to pick a turd that it be the shiniest of the two.
 
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Yeah, because as he said, he can influence Rand. That's what makes it so concerning. He couldn't influence Ron and that's why McCain said multiple times that he wouldn't support Ron regardless if he got the nomination or not. Ron Paul wasn't perfect on the issues, but he was a legitimate outsider. His son seems to be more of a shill than anything else.

I agre that Rand Paul is a bit of a demagogue. In the past he's said some remarkably idiotic things about foreign policy.

But you are taking a story' whose headline is basically "John McCain Confirms Both He and Rand Paul Are Republicans" and treating it as though it were some kind of serious signifier.
 
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Nor was it to Bush supporters before then.

It's like a never-ending vicious cycle.

My cynic tainted (tiny little piece of) hope is that if we're going to pick a turd that it be the shiniest of the two.

I'm done playing the games. Have been for a while. I vote almost exclusively third party now unless, and this is rare, there is a halfway decent candidate running major party. There have been a few Democrats in my voting history and I supported Ron in 2012, but besides that it's been mostly Greens and Libertarians.
 
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It appears Rand id taking over for his father and has collected some of his political help. Rand is a libertarian and probably as whacked out as hie father was
 
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I agre that Rand Paul is a bit of a demagogue. In the past he's said some remarkably idiotic things about foreign policy.

But you are taking a story' whose headline is basically "John McCain Confirms Both He and Rand Paul Are Republicans" and treating it as though it were some kind of serious signifier.

It's not a serious signifier for someone firmly entrenched on the Right such as yourself, but it is a signifier for those that were of the assumption Rand Paul was some sort of maverick like his father.
 
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It appears Rand id taking over for his father and has collected some of his political help. Rand is a libertarian and probably as whacked out as hie father was

Rand is a social conservative with no principles behind his supposed non-interventionism. He's an Israel shill, he is peddling the ISIS propaganda, and he wanted sanctions on Russia. He's no libertarian. He may have some libertarian leanings occasionally, but overall he is just a watered down version of the same **** we've been getting.
 
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McCain says he would support Rand Paul for president | TheHill

Rand Paul collects yet another establishment politician. Are people still convinced this guy is some fresh outsider that will shake things up?

Interesting article. I kind of had a "no ****" moment though:

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told The New Yorker he would support Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) for president if Paul is the Republican nominee.

I'm going to guess that McCain will support whoever is the Republican nominee. It wasn't really an endorsement for "Rand Paul for President in 2016" which is what I expected to see when I opened the Hill article.
 
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It's not a serious signifier for someone firmly entrenched on the Right such as yourself, but it is a signifier for those that were of the assumption Rand Paul was some sort of maverick like his father.

:lol: okay. If ya'll are so out there that you have to insist that the GOP supporting its' own Presidential Candidate is some kind of proof of nefariousness, well, enjoy the view, I suppose :)
 
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A rather key qualifier you are leaving out:



Um. Duh?

Ooops, sorry. I didn't read all the posts before I posted - just read the linked article. I posted the same thing.
 
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Interesting article. I kind of had a "no ****" moment though:

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told The New Yorker he would support Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) for president if Paul is the Republican nominee.

I'm going to guess that McCain will support whoever is the Republican nominee. It wasn't really an endorsement for "Rand Paul for President in 2016" which is what I expected to see when I opened the Hill article.

Nah, McCain said in 2012 he would not back a Ron Paul presidency regardless of if he got the nomination or not. What also concerned me was the smug way he stated that he could influence Rand. Which is true if you look at some of the areas Rand has backed down on foreign policy issues.
 
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:lol: okay. If ya'll are so out there that you have to insist that the GOP supporting its' own Presidential Candidate is some kind of proof of nefariousness, well, enjoy the view, I suppose :)

Not sure who you're stating as "y'all." I wouldn't vote for him anyway, too right-winged for my tastes. I just thought this would be interesting to those on this forum that have continually told me Rand is "different" and an "outsider."
 
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A rather key qualifier you are leaving out:



Um. Duh?

I see someone is paying attention here. I'm surprised how few are, though. Stating that you'd support the republican nominee simply makes sense for a republican. The fact that McCain is indicating that he'd rather vote for Rand Paul than Hillary Clinton if Rand Paul ended up winning the nomination doesn't say diddly about how "establishment" Rand Paul is.

Oh, and just for the record, I think it's ridiculous to decide who you're going to vote for based on how much support someone gets from "establishment" politicians. How "establishment" a politician is doesn't tell us anything meaningful about how they will perform.
 
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Nah, McCain said in 2012 he would not back a Ron Paul presidency regardless of if he got the nomination or not. What also concerned me was the smug way he stated that he could influence Rand. Which is true if you look at some of the areas Rand has backed down on foreign policy issues.

When did he say that, and where?
 
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It's not a serious signifier for someone firmly entrenched on the Right such as yourself, but it is a signifier for those that were of the assumption Rand Paul was some sort of maverick like his father.

McCain is part of the Washington establishment class of the GOP. If Rand wants to appear to be conservative this is not a good endorsement
 
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