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    Re: McCain Endorses Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Most left libertarians seek a more free and less hierarchical society through voluntary action, not State interventionism.
    As did Karl Marx.

    funny how both ideologies claim to achieve their goals without state intervention, yet boils down to crying about the rich exploiting the poor.
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    Re: McCain Endorses Rand Paul

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    As did Karl Marx.
    Um, no. Marx advocated for state intervention. The Marxist "solution" met resistance by the anti-state Left (e.g. Proudhon, Tucker, etc.)


    yet boils down to crying about the rich exploiting the poor.
    Most left libertarians take no issue with becoming wealthy in of itself. It is state privilege which we oppose. State privilege leads to an artificial wealth gap we see today. Left libertarians/anarchists believe that once those privileges are removed then we will see a much freer and equal society.

    This article on Benjamin Tucker and his freed market socialist (confused?) views is an enlightening one which explains the position of many left libertarians.

    I won't derail this thread any longer. If you want to continue the discussion you are welcome to PM me.
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    Re: McCain Endorses Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Um, no. Marx advocated for state intervention. The Marxist "solution" met resistance by the anti-state Left (e.g. Proudhon, Tucker, etc.)
    only in the first phase. His description of the second stage or whatever he called it can only be interpreted as an example of a stateless solution

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    Re: McCain Endorses Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Obama was lieing. Mccain refused to smear Obama in any way. Obama look like a fool when he blamed McCain for using race when it never happened and McCain refused to use that either
    You are being awfully vague. That level of vagueness would not have changed the outcome of the election. McCain pretty much sunk himself with two bad moves 1) selection Sarah Palin, who might have been fine had she keep her mouth shut and 2) his "suspend the campaign" to head back to Washington to fix the economy (the sat in a meeting with Prez Bush where HE kept his mouth shut.)

    McCain is a good man. He just is not presidential material.

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    Re: McCain Endorses Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You are being awfully vague. That level of vagueness would not have changed the outcome of the election. McCain pretty much sunk himself with two bad moves 1) selection Sarah Palin, who might have been fine had she keep her mouth shut and 2) his "suspend the campaign" to head back to Washington to fix the economy (the sat in a meeting with Prez Bush where HE kept his mouth shut.)

    McCain is a good man. He just is not presidential material.
    Only liberals hate for Palin see that

    Top McCain Advisor on

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    Re: McCain Endorses Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Only liberals hate for Palin see that

    Top McCain Advisor on
    Of course, retreating to Breitbart for your answer to "why McCain lost" is a bit like running to mother. She isn't going to tell you the truth, but will rather whisper soothing and comforting words into your ear. S0, if you want to live your life listening to only the things you want to hear, continue to find respite in your right wing news sources. OTH, if you want to grow a pair, and step into the real world, you will find many articles that might challenge your world view.

    McCain's loss was first and foremost a repudiation of Bush and the neocons. He did a poor job of distancing himself from Bush, when the nation, as a whole, wanted to run away from Bush. So, with McCain swimming upstream, he then further complicated his chances of success with the two things I outlined....

    Analysis: Turning points led to McCain's defeat - CNN.com
    Why Did John McCain Lose? | RealClearPolitics
    Campaign Strategy: Why Obama Won and McCain Lost - Election 2012
    http://www.euronews.com/2008/11/05/w...e-us-election/
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/...4A47Z020081105
    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/e...ry?id=11521614
    http://www.newrepublic.com/blog/jona...in-hurt-mccain
    http://spectator.org/articles/42876/...hn-mccain-lost

    McCain lost because he didn't raise enough money? Seriously? That doesn't strike you as a woefully weak argument? It should. Do you know why he did raise enough money? See above.
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    Re: McCain Endorses Rand Paul

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Of course, retreating to Breitbart for your answer to "why McCain lost" is a bit like running to mother. She isn't going to tell you the truth, but will rather whisper soothing and comforting words into your ear. S0, if you want to live your life listening to only the things you want to hear, continue to find respite in your right wing news sources. OTH, if you want to grow a pair, and step into the real world, you will find many articles that might challenge your world view.

    McCain's loss was first and foremost a repudiation of Bush and the neocons. He did a poor job of distancing himself from Bush, when the nation, as a whole, wanted to run away from Bush. So, with McCain swimming upstream, he then further complicated his chances of success with the two things I outlined....

    Analysis: Turning points led to McCain's defeat - CNN.com
    Why Did John McCain Lose? | RealClearPolitics
    Campaign Strategy: Why Obama Won and McCain Lost - Election 2012
    Why did McCain lose US election? | euronews, world news
    Why John McCain lost the White House | Reuters
    Exclusive: Meghan McCain Breaks Silence on Sarah Palin - ABC News
    Did Palin Hurt McCain? | New Republic
    How John McCain Lost | The American Spectator

    McCain lost because he didn't raise enough money? Seriously? That doesn't strike you as a woefully weak argument? It should. Do you know why he did raise enough money? See above.
    By your own admission it was Bush not Palin.

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