Oh, and just for the record, I think it's ridiculous to decide who you're going to vote for based on how much support someone gets from "establishment" politicians. How "establishment" a politician is doesn't tell us anything meaningful about how they will perform.
You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.
Rand Paul represents more of a shake up than the hope and change candidate did.
People don't go for sweeping changes in politics. We got where we are through incrementalism.
McCain has more party loyalty than I do on this. I don't think I could support Paul over Clinton if he was the nominee, his foreign policy perspective would be disastrous coming on the heels of the past eight years of this administration.