Page 6 of 19 FirstFirst ... 4567816 ... LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 188

Thread: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

  1. #51
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Los Angeles area
    Last Seen
    07-19-17 @ 01:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    9,868

    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You see now that's a proper dodgy answer. One Obama's handlers would be proud of. Sounds like you have a talent for the press secretary spot.
    In President Pinocchio's administration, someone with the last name of "Earnest" is too perfect for that job even to think about replacing.

  2. #52
    Sage
    clownboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Oregon
    Last Seen
    08-17-16 @ 10:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    26,087

    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Then why come after me when I tried to help apdst with his confusion? Instead of drawing this out for umpteen posts you and I together could have resolved his problem much more efficiently.
    Come after you?

    YOU are the one who has been dodging your way through post after post, obfuscating and avoiding the thread topic.

  3. #53
    Kinky
    tres borrachos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New England
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    39,238

    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by 29A View Post
    Does the phrase, "...nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, " ring any bells?



    Actually, its been revised/changed about 27 times.
    Wut? It hasn't been revised/changed 27 times since 2012.
    Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. ~W.C. Fields

  4. #54
    Almost respectable

    Cardinal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    35,056

    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Come after you?

    YOU are the one who has been dodging your way through post after post, obfuscating and avoiding the thread topic.
    You continue to misdirect your criticism. If you believe that my help with apdst's confusion on a procedural/separation-of-government issue was "avoiding the thread topic," then you should direct your criticism toward him.

  5. #55
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Los Angeles area
    Last Seen
    07-19-17 @ 01:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    9,868

    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    He effectively did that with DOMA, no?

    President Downlow first told his butt boy Holder not to enforce Section 3 of the DOMA years ago, on the grounds it violated equal protection. Then last year in Windsor--on what grounds Justice Kennedy's God-awfully garbled decision makes it impossible to know--the Court backed Downlow's play and officially held Section 3 unconstitutional.

  6. #56
    Sage
    Anthony60's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Northern New Jersey
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    7,578

    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    President Downlow first told his butt boy Holder not to enforce Section 3 of the DOMA years ago, on the grounds it violated equal protection. Then last year in Windsor--on what grounds Justice Kennedy's God-awfully garbled decision makes it impossible to know--the Court backed Downlow's play and officially held Section 3 unconstitutional.
    He's also decided not to enforce our immigration laws. I didn't know the president could just pick and choose what laws to enforce.
    "We have met the enemy and they are ours..." -- Oliver Hazard Perry
    "I don't want a piece of you... I want the whole thing!" -- Bob Barker

  7. #57
    Almost respectable

    Cardinal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    35,056

    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I didn't know the president could just pick and choose what laws to enforce.
    As the number of Federal laws are literally countless (and yes, I used the word "literally" correctly, research it yourself), it only makes sense that the President would direct the Justice department to prioritize the enforcement of certain laws over others. There's no such thing as enforcing all of them equally because the nation doesn't have anything close to the money or manpower to do so. When you have an estimated figure as high as 300,000 laws (though again keep in mind that's just a mad estimate -- nobody knows the real number), at that point it actually makes sense to say something like "You know what? This law here is ****ing stupid. I'm telling the Justice Department to pursue these other laws instead."

    None of these studies broached the separate—and equally complex—question of crimes that stem from federal regulations, such as, for example, the rules written by a federal agency to enforce a given act of Congress. These rules can carry the force of federal criminal law. Estimates of the number of regulations range from 10,000 to 300,000. None of the legal groups who have studied the code have a firm number.

    "There is no one in the United States over the age of 18 who cannot be indicted for some federal crime," said John Baker, a retired Louisiana State University law professor who has also tried counting the number of new federal crimes created in recent years. "That is not an exaggeration."
    The Many Failed Efforts to Count Nation's Federal Criminal Laws - WSJ

    So let me emphasize: if the Justice Department had sufficient manpower and enforced every Federal law on the books, everyone reading this would be guilty and in Federal prison.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 10-21-14 at 04:35 PM.

  8. #58
    Dungeon Master
    Chicks dig the long ball

    azgreg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Phoenix, AZ
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:09 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    14,142

    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    As the number of Federal laws are literally countless (and yes, I used the word "literally" correctly, research it yourself), it only makes sense that the President would direct the Justice department to prioritize the enforcement of certain laws over others. There's no such thing as enforcing all of them equally because the nation doesn't have anything close to the money or manpower to do so. When you have an estimated figure as high as 300,000 laws (though again keep in mind that's just a mad estimate -- nobody knows the real number), at that point it actually makes sense to say something like "You know what? This law here is ****ing stupid. I'm telling the Justice Department to pursue these other laws instead."



    The Many Failed Efforts to Count Nation's Federal Criminal Laws - WSJ

    So let me emphasize: if the Justice Department had sufficient manpower and enforced every Federal law on the books, everyone reading this would be guilty and in Federal prison.
    While I agree with you here you would think that immigration laws would be near the top of the list on laws we will pay attention to.
    I have CDO, it's like OCD but the letters are in alphabetical order like they should be.

  9. #59
    Almost respectable

    Cardinal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    35,056

    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    While I agree with you here you would think that immigration laws would be near the top of the list on laws we will pay attention to.
    I deleted that part of his post for two reasons: 1)I don't know all the facts surrounding that discussion and don't feel qualified to debate it and 2)It's off topic anyway. It's much cleaner to just address the simple question of how a President can actually choose which laws to enforce.

  10. #60
    Dungeon Master
    Chicks dig the long ball

    azgreg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Phoenix, AZ
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:09 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    14,142

    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I deleted that part of his post for two reasons: 1)I don't know all the facts surrounding that discussion and don't feel qualified to debate it and 2)It's off topic anyway. It's much cleaner to just address the simple question of how a President can actually choose which laws to enforce.
    I understood you. There are many stupid and outdated laws on the federal books as well as on state books and all is well and good to disregard those. However, immigration law does not qualify for the same behavior.
    I have CDO, it's like OCD but the letters are in alphabetical order like they should be.

Page 6 of 19 FirstFirst ... 4567816 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •