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    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No, and that's why votes for bans against ssm are being continually ruled unconstitutional.
    wrong......marriage is not a right....

    what is going on is states are granting the privilege of marriage to people, ...however they are not granting it to everyone, meaning gay people.

    the Constitution states if you grants privileges to the people you must grant it to them all, unless the states can show its in their interest no to give you the privilege, but states have not been able to do that.

    Article 4

    "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States"

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    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong......
    Wrong? They're not being ruled unconstitutional? Have I been reading the Onion all this time?

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    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Wrong? They're not being ruled unconstitutional? Have I been reading the Onion all this time?
    i didn't say the judgement action was wrong.

    its wrong, in meaning its a "right".

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    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if you have a [right]......is it illegal to infringe on it........yes it is

    but a privilege is not a right, privileges are dispensed by government, and they can come with strings attached to them, ..meaning if you wish to receive the privilege then you might have to meet the qualifications to get it.

    rights..... do not have a qualifying factor

    by calling a privilege..... a right, this confuses things....and in essence says that you can have a privilege, but exercising it like a right. at the expense/labor of another citizen, if you meet government's qualification.

    government cannot grant you a privilege, at another citiznes expense or labor.
    Sure it can it is called income redistribution supported by taxation. I'll gladly give you a hamburger today and tax your neighbor to pay for it.
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    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i didn't say the judgement action was wrong.

    its wrong, in meaning its a "right".
    And that brings me right back around to "Tell it to a Federal judge." Shrug.

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    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Sure it can it is called income redistribution supported by taxation. I'll gladly give you a hamburger today and tax your neighbor to pay for it.
    direct taxation violates the founding principles and the founders were against it.

    but it is true government steals the property [money ] of one citizen and gives it to another.

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    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And that brings me right back around to "Tell it to a Federal judge." Shrug.
    well what it tells me is you believe ......rights/privileges can be used against rights.

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    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong......marriage is not a right....

    what is going on is states are granting the privilege of marriage to people, ...however they are not granting it to everyone, meaning gay people.

    the Constitution states if you grants privileges to the people you must grant it to them all, unless the states can show its in their interest no to give you the privilege, but states have not been able to do that.

    Article 4

    "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States"
    The SCOTUS has disagreed with you:

    Chief Justice Earl Warren's opinion for the unanimous court held that:

    Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State ".
    Loving v. Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Took a while for the polls to indicate a majority in favor.
    What do you mean? Federal judges overturned the expressed (meaning through votes) will of the people. This is tyranny of the worst sort. In other countries when this has happened national judges became targets for assassination. This is a very dangerous thing for federal judges to do. They have usurped massive powers for themselves and it can only end badly.

    Do you believe that the Regime is intentionally stoking a revolution? I do.

    We need to step back and restore the balance of powers between the States, the Leviathan they unintentionally created, and the people. Then we can avoid the bloodshed while ridding ourselves of the tyrants and their tyranny. The framers, specifically George Mason, gave us the way. Article V and the Convention of States is our final hope.

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    Re: President Obama now says the Constitution protects same-sex marriage

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    “ Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State ".

    civil right= privilege.

    explain how.... if a right......how can you force someone to marry you.......rights do not have the power of force.




    AMENDMENT XIV

    Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

    Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

    Section 1.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


    life, liberty, and property are ...........natural rights.
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