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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yes. BUT LOOK AT THIS PICTURE OF A SAD CHILD!!! is indeed a emotion-based argument.



    This, also, is an emotional argument. Why should we craft national foreign policy based on the preferences or emotions of those on the business end of our targeting processes as opposed to our own ability to exercise reason?



    I don't. I simply point out that the stats given by the OP and the imagery presented by you are inaccurate representations of the drone strike program.



    Sure, and it's impact is less than those of the alternatives, making drones (in many cases) the more humane option.



    Rarely, but yes. Just as civilians die in all military operations, especially against an enemy that chooses to use a civilian populace as cover and concealment.



    That's an interesting claim. Can you demonstrate that we are creating more jihadists than we are killing with the drone program?
    Killing civilians in drone strikes causes problems because we are not at war with a country, but a specific group of individuals.
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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yes. BUT LOOK AT THIS PICTURE OF A SAD CHILD!!! is indeed a emotion-based argument.



    This, also, is an emotional argument. Why should we craft national foreign policy based on the preferences or emotions of those on the business end of our targeting processes as opposed to our own ability to exercise reason?



    I don't. I simply point out that the stats given by the OP and the imagery presented by you are inaccurate representations of the drone strike program.



    Sure, and it's impact is less than those of the alternatives, making drones (in many cases) the more humane option.



    Rarely, but yes. Just as civilians die in all military operations, especially against an enemy that chooses to use a civilian populace as cover and concealment.



    That's an interesting claim. Can you demonstrate that we are creating more jihadists than we are killing with the drone program?
    I didn't say that we're creating more enemies than we're killing, just that the drone strikes are creating enemies.

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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Killing civilians in drone strikes causes problems because we are not at war with a country, but a specific group of individuals.
    .... I'm not sure how the latter causes unique problems in the former. Killing non-combatants generally isn't a goal of state-on-state warfare for us, either.

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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Killing civilians in drone strikes causes problems because we are not at war with a country, but a specific group of individuals.
    Those civilians are supporters and sympathizers of the people we're at war with.
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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Those civilians are supporters and sympathizers of the people we're at war with.
    I would act for proof of this claim, but I know its gonna be "the military told me so"...


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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I would act for proof of this claim, but I know its gonna be "the military told me so"...
    It's generally a requirement to be around these people. High level guys know they are being hunted, so they only allow those around them who are loyal and/or part of the effort. To do otherwise is to ask to get hit.

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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

    I guess that means the militants are doing what they do best, blend in with the civilian population. I think the journalists failed to understand what they discovered, and that is it is nearly impossible to determine who is and is not a militant. They have admitted that its very difficult to differentiate the two, but continue running articles that say we are basically purposefully targeting civilians. They are telling us that we can dismiss their anti-war rhetoric.
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