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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Gilley suits have a/c now? MREs have lattes? Sniper rifles are now accurate from complete safety?
    When we first started using snipers, people complained because they were "cowardly", because they involved someone hiding far away and taking a shot without the person being killed perhaps even knowing he was being engaged. People have traditionally used the same epithet against UW practitioners who refuse to Stand And Give Battle in a conventional format. It's like saying we should replace Obama with someone who was popular throughout their Presidency - you know, like W.

    Small teams are cool too.
    Sure, and also considered cowardly by their opponents.

    We don't fight our enemies.
    Sure we do.

    We murder them.
    Yup. And here's hoping that every time we fight our enemy, it's really a murder - with complete and total surprise on our part and complete inability to fight back effectively on theirs.

    There is no honor in it.
    you have no idea what you are talking about.

    I'm not saying our troops are dishonorable.
    Sure you are. You just did.

    The way we wage "war" is.
    And that war is waged by........ ?

    I have no problem with assassination. I just have issues with doing it from the safety of home. It distances us from our actions. Turns people into videogame enemies.
    The political impossibility of what you are describing aside (if you think for a second that we would be able to get Pakistan's approval for that, or keep those teams black once they started killing you are nuts), I'm not really willing to sacrifice any more of my friends, to watch their widows watch their lives shatter and break, or spend any more time trying to provide a bit of positive male-role-model to any more kids without dads for your sense of aesthetics.

    And I don't think snipers kill 7 noncombatants for every bad guy they cap either.
    neither do drones, so....

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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

    I guess this is the only acceptable way to wage war.

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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

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    And?

    ...........
    Soviet-Afghan War. Textbooks. Ringing any bells?

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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    everyone who "lives around" these guys aren't going to get killed. Again, the CER of a mitigated Hellfire isn't that expansive. If you are a military age male who travels armed and drives with them everywhere they go, however? Yup, you might get schwacked.
    Which is fine. They are belligerents then. I have no issue with that whatsoever. But, as I have already stated, civilians being blown to smithereens is troublesome.

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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No - your descriptions are. You are attempting to make an emotion-based case built on hyperbole. The media you are listing all carry things like this:



    So....



    Oh. Do tell me about all the times you have sat inside a Joint Targeting Working Group and run the nominations for non-combatant targets to be engaged.
    Again, your experiences are not universal. That is, unless you're claiming you've personally watched every drone strike?

    And I don't get why you're saying I'm making "an emotion-based case built on hyperbole." Please, explain.

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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The correct number is 42% of those identified were "militants". There is no way of knowing the status of those not identified.
    I wonder how may civilians were killed in Iraq by our "shock and awe" attacks before the invasion? The best estimates for the Iraq war are over 100,000 civilians including women and children killed. Drones are far more humane than invasion.
    Whose anti-American lie is that you're spreading? Michael Moore's? Cindy Sheehan's? Oliver Stone's? Or some other America-hating commie?

    Very few civilians were hit in the bombings leading up to the 2003 invasion, because the weapons used were extremely accurate and only aimed at valid military targets. Most of these were not close to populated areas. If the U.S. had been trying to kill civilians in Iraq, it could have killed 100,000 in a single night without much trouble, just using conventional bombs.

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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Soviet-Afghan War. Textbooks. Ringing any bells?
    Is there a point anywhere in our future?
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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

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    They are brown and from the wrong region in the world... What other reason do we need?
    Are you ****ing serious with that? And who is we?
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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Which is fine. They are belligerents then. I have no issue with that whatsoever. But, as I have already stated, civilians being blown to smithereens is troublesome.
    sure. It is A) simply not happening at anything close to the portions suggested by the OP, and B) happens less with drones than with other more conventional military options.

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    Re: Only 12% of People Killed in US Drone Strikes in Pakistan Identified as Militants

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Are you ****ing serious with that? And who is we?
    He is suggesting that that is how we view the problem. You know, because the President is a racist

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