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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    while I agree that his freedom of not being religious were violated by jailing him further for not joining a religiously based 12 step program. But the money that is now given to him is ridiculous. Unless he was almost murdered or seriously hurt in those extra 100 days of jail, there is no need for such an excessive monetary reward for this person. I personally would think that a financial compensation of between 10 and 20 thousand would have been more than enough.
    Part of me says "screw this asshole for trying to suck the government dry, it's his damn fault that he's in jail to begin with."

    The other part of me says "this **** needs to stop, we don't live in the Midieval Ages where you believe in God or get punished."

    At the end of the day he shouldn't get **** because he shouldn't be selling drugs like the inferior human he is.
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    That's BS. AA teaches you that you are powerless to your addiction and that you need the help of others (God). Instead they should teach you that you are in control of your own destiny, that you have complete control over your own actions and that in order to overcome your addictions you need to embrace your strengths.

    AA is such a joke and so is the whole idea that you are powerless.
    You obviously don't understand real addiction or the power of God.

    The point is, there is something inside of you (God or whatever you want to call it) that is more powerful than anything that tries to destroy you.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    If you don't believe in God, you can't do that. The state shouldn't be able to force atheist's to participate in this program.
    Then don't think of it as God. Think of it as the 'power of the universe', "the force within you", "the matrix" whatever..but you need to be able to channel it in order to overcome.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... At no point did he say that science can't do it. He said science surely has better treatment methods than AA. As someone who has tried AAA, AA, psychological counseling and medical treatment, I'd said that a one size fits all program simply doesn't work. Different minds need different approaches. I've met people who had no need for the religious part of AA, and yet went anyways because they enjoyed the communal aspect of it. Likewise, there are people like myself where counseling (psychological and religious) simply isn't enough and the mind needs to be occupied with other things (in my case, exercise and work). There are a third group of people who need scientific advances like methadone in conjunction with religious counseling. Overcoming addiction isn't a "let's try this and see if it works", it's a whole bunch of treatments put together to fit the individual in question.

    So yes, he's right in so much as saying that people shouldn't only rely on non-scientific treatments. AAA is useless to a heroin/meth addict. Scientific treatments alone are useless for someone who drinks because of depression. In the end, it boils down to an inexact science of finding out what a person best responds to and how to benefit them using other treatments that are available.
    In the end, it boils down to YOU.
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I also think the higher power notion of 12 steps is nonsense. There is no higher power, there is only you and you alone can change this behavior. You can admit you have lost control and have to regain that control, not think of it as a higher power but a vice that needs reigning in.
    There's a constant battle of good and evil, right and wrong, positive and negative going on inside every one of us. Call it what you want but, you better hope the good, right, positive power wins out.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Part of me says "screw this asshole for trying to suck the government dry, it's his damn fault that he's in jail to begin with."

    The other part of me says "this **** needs to stop, we don't live in the Midieval Ages where you believe in God or get punished."

    At the end of the day he shouldn't get **** because he shouldn't be selling drugs like the inferior human he is.
    FWIW he was getting punished well before any treatments or programs.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    You obviously don't understand real addiction or the power of God.

    The point is, there is something inside of you (God or whatever you want to call it) that is more powerful than anything that tries to destroy you.
    Your conscience, your moral compass, your inner voice.

    I wouldn't conflate that with the concept of God however, because I believe that is all me. It is MY inner voice, conscience, and moral compass, not God's.
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    FWIW he was getting punished well before any treatments or programs.

    Basically, he's an inferior subhuman and he's getting what inferior subhumans deserve.
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Basically, he's an inferior subhuman and he's getting what inferior subhumans deserve.
    And getting paid for it. I think we've reach a turning point for this country's relationship with God or ------ your choice of higher powers.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Your conscience, your moral compass, your inner voice.

    I wouldn't conflate that with the concept of God however, because I believe that is all me. It is MY inner voice, conscience, and moral compass, not God's.
    IMO God is in each of us but, gives us free will to do as we please. Therein lies the problem of addiction and such.
    God will help if we ask.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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