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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Separation of church and state is just a phrase coined by an atheist.
    Thomas Jefferson was an atheist?

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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

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    Thomas Jefferson was an atheist?
    yes to quote Hamilton he was “an atheist in religion and a fanatic in politics"

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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Separation of church and state is just a phrase coined by an atheist. It is not in the constitution so it can not be violated. The first amendment reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" AA doesnt require a religion only a higher power, you can still be an atheist and believe that something is more powerful than yourself.
    So are you opposed to the separation of church and state? Do you think America should be a christian theocracy? Why should christians get less severe prison sentences for being christian?

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    That isnt what happened, the inmate was given the choice of getting out early if they participated in a religious program. If they didnt want to participate thats fine they can serve their full sentence. However that isnt even what my comment was talking about. I was talking about how a state can sanction AA with such a low success rate and yet they can ban conversion therapy and call it abuse when it has a higher success rate.
    Holy ****, you support state-run conversion therapy. Nevermind, you don't need to answer the previous questions, it's obvious that your opinion doesn't matter.
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

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    So are you opposed to the separation of church and state?
    Yes, the 1st amendment does not erect a wall of separation between church and state. As long as no one is persecuted for or prohibited from exercising their religion, I dont see a problem with religion influencing govt.

    Do you think America should be a christian theocracy?
    No, I dont know why you would ask that AA is non denominational, it has nothing to do with a "Christian theocracy"

    Why should christians get less severe prison sentences for being christian?
    Hmm I dont recall anything about Christians. AA only requires a higher power nothing about Christianity. You are just creating a strawman around what you think my opinion is.

    Holy ****, you support state-run conversion therapy. Nevermind, you don't need to answer the previous questions, it's obvious that your opinion doesn't matter.
    I didnt say that, I said its interesting how conversion therapy can be banned altogether and AA can be state sanctioned. Your opinion doesnt matter because you just create strawmen to attack people. You arent interested in having a discussion only flinging insults the way a monkey flings feces.

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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Yes, the 1st amendment does not erect a wall of separation between church and state. As long as no one is persecuted for or prohibited from exercising their religion, I dont see a problem with religion influencing govt.

    No, I dont know why you would ask that AA is non denominational, it has nothing to do with a "Christian theocracy"

    Hmm I dont recall anything about Christians. AA only requires a higher power nothing about Christianity. You are just creating a strawman around what you think my opinion is.

    I didnt say that, I said its interesting how conversion therapy can be banned altogether and AA can be state sanctioned. Your opinion doesnt matter because you just create strawmen to attack people. You arent interested in having a discussion only flinging insults the way a monkey flings feces.
    You advocate longer prison sentences for people who don't share your same views on the existence of god. That is persecution for their beliefs and it's illegal, precisely why this guy got a fat 2 million dollar check. What exactly drives you to be so vindictive against atheists? Do you hate us? Maybe we should all be in jail?
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    I don't think the state should have forced him into AA. AA is secular organization not affiliated with any religion but they do mention a higher power in their steps and someone's religious freedom (which includes the right to be irreligious and not believe in God(s) or a higher power) shouldn't have a court ordered violation of that right. They can mandate a recovery program, but they shouldn't mandate AA or anything that violates the convicts constitutional right to freedom of religion.
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You advocate longer prison sentences for people who don't share your same views on the existence of god. That is persecution for their beliefs and it's illegal, precisely why this guy got a fat 2 million dollar check. What exactly drives you to be so vindictive against atheists? Do you hate us? Maybe we should all be in jail?
    Once again that is not the case. First off its not lengthening prison sentences, parole is a shortened sentence. If you cant do the time dont do the crime. Secondly and once again AA only requires a "higher power" that doesnt have to be a god. Do you believe that physics is a power greater than yourself? That can be your higher power. You don't have to share my beliefs my beliefs to be in AA, you only have to have some

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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    I also think the higher power notion of 12 steps is nonsense. There is no higher power, there is only you and you alone can change this behavior. You can admit you have lost control and have to regain that control, not think of it as a higher power but a vice that needs reigning in.
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It's kind of insane how much special treatment AA gets when it is setup so closely to a religious cult. Surely in the 80 years since this silly program was developed, we'd have more scientific knowledge about addiction and better medicine than what is essentially a religious course. The overt endorsement of the AA program and the lack of a better, scientific, and secular option really is an unconstitutional entangling of government and religion.
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Secondly and once again AA only requires a "higher power" that doesnt have to be a god. Do you believe that physics is a power greater than yourself? That can be your higher power. You don't have to share my beliefs my beliefs to be in AA, you only have to have some
    That's true, but in reality AA just is a religious program. The steps refer to God, and it's common practice for meetings to close with the Lord's Prayer. And the chapter is called, We Agnostics, and it tells people that if they have an open mind, they will eventually come to believe in God. There's an example in that chapter of an atheist....who when he comes to believe in God is instantly cured of the desire to drink. It doesn't talk about an atheist who remains sober and never needed or did embrace a Higher Power.

    It's true that AA in many places is extremely tolerant of pretty much anyone, including atheists, and that's one of the great things about the program. But atheists would have to accept the AA program in spite of its clear religious foundations.

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