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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They have no better of a success rate than secular programs but a lot of people who fail religious 12-step programs are considered never to have been part of the program in the first place. A lot of them cook their own numbers to look more successful than they are.
    I think you're confused, this isn't a CT thread. Do have any links of said " cooked"'numbers??

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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Your first problem is that it's a 12-step program. Those groups (like Alcoholics Anonymous) usually only have a 3% success rate.
    Funny how the success rate for conversion therapy is much better than AA but somehow conversion therapy is "abuse"

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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Funny how the success rate for conversion therapy is much better than AA but somehow conversion therapy is "abuse"
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    When you've lost your soul to addiction, who better to return it to you than God? Like you said, science can't do it.
    Well since there are no gods or souls, and we DO have better ways to treat addiction than religious hoodoo, that's basically the opposite of what I said. I asked why our courts and government still rely on this religious program, that works no better than no program at all, instead of using a better, scientific approach.
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    When you've lost your soul to addiction, who better to return it to you than God? Like you said, science can't do it.
    That's BS. AA teaches you that you are powerless to your addiction and that you need the help of others (God). Instead they should teach you that you are in control of your own destiny, that you have complete control over your own actions and that in order to overcome your addictions you need to embrace your strengths.

    AA is such a joke and so is the whole idea that you are powerless.
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    When you've lost your soul to addiction, who better to return it to you than God? Like you said, science can't do it.
    If you don't believe in God, you can't do that. The state shouldn't be able to force atheist's to participate in this program.
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    I think you're confused, this isn't a CT thread. Do have any links of said " cooked"'numbers??
    The Surprising Failures of 12 Steps - The Atlantic
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    The Atlantic?..

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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    The Atlantic?..
    Says the guy who never bothered to click on the link.
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    Re: Atheist inmate settles for $1.95 million over 12-step drug rehab

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Says the guy who never bothered to click on the link.
    Gringo simply says "Huh gimme evidence!" in every thread and if you give it to him he ends up just dismissing it.

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