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    Re: Americans want flight restrictions from Ebola countries. And itís not close.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    From Ed Morrissey.

    To Contain Ebola, Obama Must Impose a West-African Travel Ban.....

    The last thing this administration needed was another crisis. In an election cycle that features few issues other than Obama’s own policies – as the President himself helpfully admitted last week – another bungled response would only make the leadership deficit more acute. The emergence of Ebola in Dallas, Texas, and the CDC’s failure to control the situation, has added yet another brick to the load weighing down Democrats in this cycle.

    None of this instills confidence in this administration’s ability to deal with one single outbreak point. What happens when more come? The Washington Post/ABC News poll shows that two-thirds of Americans want a ban on travel from Ebola-linked countries until the outbreak subsides, and it’s not difficult to understand why. With just one case, we have two transmissions and potentially over 200 more, thanks to a slow response from the healthcare center and the CDC’s inability to keep a monitored high-risk case from boarding a commercial flight to Cleveland and back. The White House insisted yesterday that no such travel ban would be forthcoming, but the crisis has rattled Obama enough to cancel a fundraising trip and stick around for a Cabinet meeting. Right now, the crisis is still very manageable, but only as long as they can contain the Dallas outbreak and hope another plane with visitors from western Africa does not bring another Patient Zero to America. Obama and his advisers should consider a travel ban as a necessary first step to prevent that – and perhaps to restore a little bit of confidence in their leadership......snip~

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/contai...094500403.html
    I'm sure there are multiple petitions going on - here's one of them but it needs 100,000 sign ups by the end of the month. So far their only 1/3 of the way there. What's amazing is that such a common sense and simple act to protect Americans temporarily is a political football. Truly our nation is polarized to the point of paralysis.

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...break/FFJHH9yX
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    Re: Americans want flight restrictions from Ebola countries. And itís not close.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm sure there are multiple petitions going on - here's one of them but it needs 100,000 sign ups by the end of the month. So far their only 1/3 of the way there. What's amazing is that such a common sense and simple act to protect Americans temporarily is a political football. Truly our nation is polarized to the point of paralysis.

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...break/FFJHH9yX


    Mornin Ockham. Yeah and Rep Democrat Alan Grayson sent a letter directly to BO. Asking him to ban travel from those infected countries.




    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/contai...094500403.html

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    Re: Americans want flight restrictions from Ebola countries. And itís not close.

    Any national leader with any love or feelings for his nation would have banned flights from Ebola-plagued countries long ago.

    However, Obama is, like his Attorney General, first and foremost, a Black man. In other words, a Black Supremacist. Obama refuses to stop the illegal immigration of millions of Hispanics, and he certainly won't stop the legal and illegal influx of Sub-Sahanan Africans---His people.

    As Liberia and Sierra Leone are the most corrupt and criminalized of all nations on the earth, there are also shady political deals and transactions going on that further compel BO keep this area open for travel.
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    Re: Americans want flight restrictions from Ebola countries. And itís not close.

    This problem is going to get worse, even untenable, unless commercial flights to infected African states are stopped.
    Flu season is upon us and even non-ebola Fever/shakes/Scares are going to subject passengers to undue/unbelievable stress.
    There is NO pressing need for people from these countries to be flying freely into USA/EU and spreading the Virus to other points globally. It's already cost Tens of Billions: add another Zero (or two) if you include Stock Market losses.

    Air France Flight Grounded in Madrid Over Suspected Ebola Virus Case

    Passenger on the Flight Showed Symptoms of Ebola, Including Shaking, an Official Said
    By CHRISTOPHER BJORK And JEANNETTE NEUMANN CONNECT
    Updated Oct. 16, 2014 8:55 a.m. ET
    Air France Flight Grounded in Madrid Over Suspected Ebola Virus Case - WSJ
    MADRID—An Air France aircraft flying from Paris was grounded at its Madrid destination Thursday over concerns that one of the passengers showed potential symptoms of Ebola.

    Officials for the French airline, the Spanish government and the Madrid airport said the passenger had fallen ill during the flight and would be tested for the virus.

    The person in question on Air France flight 1300—with 156 passengers on board, as well as two pilots and five crew members—showed symptoms of Ebola, including shaking, said a spokeswoman for Air France in Madrid.

    It wasn’t clear what, if any, other symptoms the passenger showed. And those passengers were likely to be given the go ahead to disembark Thursday afternoon Madrid time, the spokeswoman said.

    Spain’s state-owned broadcaster RTVE said the passenger was of Nigerian origin and had started the journey in Lagos.

    The aircraft, an Airbus A321, left Paris’ Charles de Gaulle airport at 0735 GMT and arrived in Madrid Barajas airport at 0940 GMT, the spokeswoman said.
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    Re: Americans want flight restrictions from Ebola countries. And itís not close.

    I have just given a bunch of likes to the brave people in this thread who are saying do something! to prevent an epidemic .. and I could have given a bunch more.

    Thanks to all who are understandably and intelligently admonishing our trusted officials that it would benefit us all to be better extra-effort safe than deadly epidemic sorry.
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    Re: Americans want flight restrictions from Ebola countries. And itís not close.

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    We are already screwed. Especially if we keep getting cases of it. This thing is more contagious than being let on. If they cant stop this soon this will get out of control. This one and two at time if these CDC guys keep ****ing up will break loose then we will be screwed.
    This Zaire strain of the Ebola virus is a fragile virus, and even though it will survive on materials touched by an infected person, it will only survive on most surfaces for a few hours, and it quickly succumbs to UV light and common ordinary household cleaning solutions.

    But, it's those 24 hours prior to an infected person experiencing symptoms, when the viral community is sufficient to overload into saliva and other mucous and where the oblivious carrier is touching their face and expectorating saliva fluids when they speak and contaminating doorknobs and towels and desks and chairs and you name it while they go about their business, that we are placed most at risk with regard to Ebola.

    Since only 2 of the 76+ healthcare workers who cared for Duncan in the Dallas hospital have contracted the virus, it's pretty darn clear the protective gear they wore was adequate, that the fragile virus didn't penetrate their gear or sneak through an opening or the like .. and that they most likely contracted the virus on Thursday, September 25th, the day Duncan walked into the hospital ER (and was examined and sent home!) or even, as a few nurses in the hospital are alleging, when Duncan was brought in on Sunday, September 28th, by ambulance and was not yet diagnosed with Ebola and remained in open area in the hospital ER prior to diagnosis and subsequent protective isolation, and contaminated the ER at that time.

    Though Ebola is most certainly quite deadly and our concerns are most certainly justified, the problem we currently face in the U.S. is that the CDC isn't saying enough about 1) indirect contact that contaminates, and 2) the 24-hours prior to experiencing symptoms when a carrier has begun to spread the virus onto objects, objects that can be touched by another person who can thereby become infected.

    If we can just put enough pressure on the CDC and other relevant officials to stop downplaying the huge issue of the aforementioned two problems relevant to this virus, this fragile, easily cleansed virus will kill tens of millions of Americans, and not because it couldn't have been stopped, but because we were too politically ideologically dumbed down to adequately protect ourselves.

    The CDC could easily start addressing the two points I presented and address them with the seriousness they deserve, and that would understandably lead to necessary measures of protection such as many are calling for in this thread.

    But their "don't panic" policy line and its political ideologically based denial are functioning to create the very epidemic they're supposed to be preventing.

    Again, thanks to you, and everyone in this thread who is raising understandable and intelligent concern.

    Hopefully the CDC and the powers that be will get the message ..

    .. That we'd rather be rightly alarmed today .. than as good as obliviously dead tomorrow.
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    Re: Americans want flight restrictions from Ebola countries. And itís not close.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I don't think we have much power to compel Belgium to change its policy of who is allowed to travel in and out of the country.
    Yes we do. Just inform Belgium we are not accepting those people and they will be turned around and returned. Or stop accepting flights from Brussels. Basically if it was me I would stop accepting any flights from countries that are still accepting flights from those countries with a pandemic.
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    Re: Americans want flight restrictions from Ebola countries. And itís not close.

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Yes we do. Just inform Belgium we are not accepting those people and they will be turned around and returned. Or stop accepting flights from Brussels. Basically if it was me I would stop accepting any flights from countries that are still accepting flights from those countries with a pandemic.
    Yes.

    The world needs to be impressed that this West African area suffering the Ebola epidemic needs to be quarantined, or the deadly virus will spread.

    It's really a no-brainer.
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    Re: Americans want flight restrictions from Ebola countries. And itís not close.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    This Zaire strain of the Ebola virus is a fragile virus, and even though it will survive on materials touched by an infected person, it will only survive on most surfaces for a few hours, and it quickly succumbs to UV light and common ordinary household cleaning solutions.

    But, it's those 24 hours prior to an infected person experiencing symptoms, when the viral community is sufficient to overload into saliva and other mucous and where the oblivious carrier is touching their face and expectorating saliva fluids when they speak and contaminating doorknobs and towels and desks and chairs and you name it while they go about their business, that we are placed most at risk with regard to Ebola.

    Since only 2 of the 76+ healthcare workers who cared for Duncan in the Dallas hospital have contracted the virus, it's pretty darn clear the protective gear they wore was adequate, that the fragile virus didn't penetrate their gear or sneak through an opening or the like .. and that they most likely contracted the virus on Thursday, September 25th, the day Duncan walked into the hospital ER (and was examined and sent home!) or even, as a few nurses in the hospital are alleging, when Duncan was brought in on Sunday, September 28th, by ambulance and was not yet diagnosed with Ebola and remained in open area in the hospital ER prior to diagnosis and subsequent protective isolation, and contaminated the ER at that time.

    Though Ebola is most certainly quite deadly and our concerns are most certainly justified, the problem we currently face in the U.S. is that the CDC isn't saying enough about 1) indirect contact that contaminates, and 2) the 24-hours prior to experiencing symptoms when a carrier has begun to spread the virus onto objects, objects that can be touched by another person who can thereby become infected.

    If we can just put enough pressure on the CDC and other relevant officials to stop downplaying the huge issue of the aforementioned two problems relevant to this virus, this fragile, easily cleansed virus will kill tens of millions of Americans, and not because it couldn't have been stopped, but because we were too politically ideologically dumbed down to adequately protect ourselves.

    The CDC could easily start addressing the two points I presented and address them with the seriousness they deserve, and that would understandably lead to necessary measures of protection such as many are calling for in this thread.

    But their "don't panic" policy line and its political ideologically based denial are functioning to create the very epidemic they're supposed to be preventing.

    Again, thanks to you, and everyone in this thread who is raising understandable and intelligent concern.

    Hopefully the CDC and the powers that be will get the message ..

    .. That we'd rather be rightly alarmed today .. than as good as obliviously dead tomorrow.
    I just heard that 21 day window is actually a 42 day window vis a vis information from WHO.

    Underscoring the importance of the 42-day rule, the WHO document openly states that a 42-day observation period with no new outbreaks is required before declaring the outbreak is under control. In the WHO's own words:

    WHO is therefore confident that detection of no new cases, with active surveillance in place, throughout this 42-day period means that an Ebola outbreak is indeed over. [1]


    Learn more: Shock W.H.O. report: Ebola has 42-day incubation period, not 21 days! - NaturalNews.com

    95% of confirmed cases have an incubation period in the range of 1 to 21 days; 98% have an incubation period that falls within the 1 to 42 day interval. [1]

    Unless the sentence structure is somehow misleading, this passage appears to indicate the following:

    ē 95% of Ebola incubations occur from 1 - 21 days
    ē 3% of Ebola incubations occur from 21 - 42 days
    ē 2% of Ebola incubations are not explained (why?)

    If this interpretation of the WHO's statistics are correct, it would mean that:

    ē 1 in 20 Ebola infections may result in incubations lasting significantly longer than 21 days

    ē The 21-day quarantine currently being enforced by the CDC is entirely insufficient to halt an outbreak

    ē People who are released from observation or self-quarantine after 21 days may still become full-blown Ebola patients in the subsequent three weeks, even if they have shown no symptoms of infection during the first 21 days. (Yes, read that again...)


    Learn more: Shock W.H.O. report: Ebola has 42-day incubation period, not 21 days! - NaturalNews.com


    Shock W.H.O. report: Ebola has 42-day incubation period, not 21 days! - NaturalNews.com

    Can I sanitize visa vi UV light and how intense does it have to be?
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    Re: Americans want flight restrictions from Ebola countries. And itís not close.

    I also heard that RW nutbag Ted Cruz signed that letter to ban in/out going flights to select African countries. Man that guy is wacko!!

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