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Condoleezza Rice named as killer of New York Times’ story on CIA

Middleground said:
Interesting. I don't know how I feel about that. The reporter in the OP regrets killing the story.
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I'm aware of that and without the exact arguments that were made, it's difficult for me to make any kind of judgment on the merits of the request and decision. It may or may not have been reasonable. I'm sure at some point we'll learn more.
 
donsutherland1 said:
I'm aware of that and without the exact arguments that were made, it's difficult for me to make any kind of judgment on the merits of the request and decision. It may or may not have been reasonable. I'm sure at some point we'll learn more.
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That pretty much sums it up.
 
face said:
If the story actually did endanger national security then the state was right to put pressure on them to kill it, hell if this was Russia or some other authoritarian state it wouldn't have been a request and Risen would probably be 6 feet under.
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Following a tragic car accident.
 
CanadaJohn said:
The point is - Bush, bad man - very bad man
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No, that is not the point.

The point is that the media serves at the pleasure of the government. The point is that in many cases, the media facilitates and covers up the crimes of the government.

Just as Risen pointed out in his story, that NSA illegal wire-tapping was done in large part through the surreptitious efforts of AT & Treason and other telecoms.

It was those efforts that led to FISA II and its grant of immunity to those telecoms for having done the government's dirty work.

The point is that NYT was asked by Rice to suppress the truth, and it did. Are all Canadians that obtuse? ;)
 
Henry David said:
No, that is not the point.

The point is that the media serves at the pleasure of the government. The point is that in many cases, the media facilitates and covers up the crimes of the government.

Just as Risen pointed out in his story, that NSA illegal wire-tapping was done in large part through the surreptitious efforts of AT & Treason and other telecoms.

It was those efforts that led to FISA II and its grant of immunity to those telecoms for having done the government's dirty work.

The point is that NYT was asked by Rice to suppress the truth, and it did. Are all Canadians that obtuse? ;)
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Yes, all Canadians are obtuse :roll:
 
Henry David said:
Not Naomi Klein. Not Neill Young. Not quite a few others. ;)
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Things are perfectly clear now. You champion Neil Young, whose drug addled brain and too many years in Southern California have caused him to believe that ISIS is far less a current problem than climate change. If Neil Young is your paradigm of Canadianna, I can see why you might consider all Canadians obtuse.
 
donsutherland1 said:
Rice was acting as National Security Adviser. If she worked to kill the story in order to protect sensitive sources and methods of classified information, I don't think she can be blamed for what she did. From the general description of the article, it seems that the story might have exposed the CIA's limitations. In turn, that could have allowed Iran to exploit that vulnerability.
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Agreed, people are quick to jump to conclusions without the full context and facts as to what and why.
Hmmm, come to think of it, our dear president does the exact same thing.


I would like to know everything before I judge any person.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Things are perfectly clear now. You champion Neil Young, whose drug addled brain and too many years in Southern California have caused him to believe that ISIS is far less a current problem than climate change. If Neil Young is your paradigm of Canadianna, I can see why you might consider all Canadians obtuse.
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Actually John, it was a joke in the first place, but one inspired NOT by Neil Young or Naomi Klein, but rather by your (apparent) failure to understand the significance of the thread topic, the significance of a Cabinet level officer asking a newspaper to NOT print a story that was too truthful and uncomfortable for the White House.

Get it now?
 
i missed it
what did condi do wrong
or is the thread about the failure of the press to move forward with the story
 
Henry David said:
Actually John, it was a joke in the first place, but one inspired NOT by Neil Young or Naomi Klein, but rather by your (apparent) failure to understand the significance of the thread topic, the significance of a Cabinet level officer asking a newspaper to NOT print a story that was too truthful and uncomfortable for the White House.

Get it now?
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Cabinet level officers do this all the time in every administration in every democratic country in the world. Usually it's either to delay disclosure of a time sensitive matter or it's to not disclose something believed to be of national security importance. Sometimes the media with the leak agrees, sometimes the media with the leak doesn't agree and runs with their story. No big news here.

One has to question why this is "breaking news" almost a decade after Ms. Rice left the White House. Hence, my comment. Just another in a string of attempts to make the issue Bush and all things related to Bush in order to distract from the utter failure currently sitting in the Oval Office.

Get it now?
 
CanadaJohn said:
The point is - Bush, bad man - very bad man
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Ignore Obama Administration Hacking Into News Reporters Computers! There Is No Censorship Of The White House Pool Behind The Curtain!
 
Middleground said:
Unless the material was sensitive and could affect an ongoing investigation or the lives of citizens, Government should not interfere with the press. I am shocked to see nonchalance about this story and fear that freedom is not an important issue for some. Amazing what partisanship does to commons sense and logic.
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Unlike the Obama administration and the bin Laden raid, most administrations don't make a habit of burning valuable intel sources.

A report on the progress of CIA efforts to slow Iran's nuclear program would likely contain details that Iran could easily triangulate back to a source.
 
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jmotivator said:
Unlike the Obama administration and the bin Laden raid, most administrations don't make a habit of burning valuable intel sources.
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I mean really, who should give a **** about killing the mastermind behind 9/11! Wasted resources!1!!!1
The point is - Obama bad man - very bad man!

A report on the progress of CIA efforts to slow Iran's nuclear program would likely contain details that Iran could easily triangulate back to a source.
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Yes, of course. If you bothered to read the thread you can very well see that I agreed to that possibility.
 
She's got a better job as a college professor, as Ebola used to be, and the 13th vote on a male sports panel .
 
cpwill said:
Ignore Obama Administration Hacking Into News Reporters Computers! There Is No Censorship Of The White House Pool Behind The Curtain!
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Barry Soetero = Maobama + stalin + hitler + Khan + Lucifer + Muhammed + Tojo
 
CanadaJohn said:
Cabinet level officers do this all the time in every administration in every democratic country in the world. Usually it's either to delay disclosure of a time sensitive matter or it's to not disclose something believed to be of national security importance. Sometimes the media with the leak agrees, sometimes the media with the leak doesn't agree and runs with their story. No big news here.

One has to question why this is "breaking news" almost a decade after Ms. Rice left the White House. Hence, my comment. Just another in a string of attempts to make the issue Bush and all things related to Bush in order to distract from the utter failure currently sitting in the Oval Office.

Get it now?
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Call me naïve and romantic, but I prefer the arrangement in which (like it used to be) the media confronted the government about its criminal behavior. I like that situation much better than the present situation in which the media facilitates and covers up government criminal activity.

Things were that way even as recently as my generation's Pentagon Papers thing.

Though you may support an arrangement in which the government approves all stories printed, I do not. :peace
 
Henry David said:
Call me naïve and romantic, but I prefer the arrangement in which (like it used to be) the media confronted the government about its criminal behavior. I like that situation much better than the present situation in which the media facilitates and covers up government criminal activity.

Things were that way even as recently as my generation's Pentagon Papers thing.

Though you may support an arrangement in which the government approves all stories printed, I do not. :peace
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I won't call you naive or romantic, but I will call you dishonest since you claim my words in any way support the conclusion you attribute to me.

And just to be clear, individual journalists within the media were far more in the pocket of corrupt, dishonest and criminal politicians in past generations than they are today as witnessed by the lack of honest reporting on the likes of JFK. Media ownership may attempt to facilitate politicians they support, but individual journalists spend their entire careers now trying to uncover any little foible by which to destroy a politician's career.
 
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