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    Re: Federal Court Blocks Texas Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's not actually what we've decided. But "third world Americans" is a nice touch!
    I realize you have to get that magic bus full of dead unicorns showing up to vote.

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    Re: Federal Court Blocks Texas Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm not sure how to make it clearer. Read the bolded and large text again and again until the point sinks in. No one disputes that the rules will require hundreds of thousands of registered Texas voters to obtain an ID they do not otherwise need in their daily lives.
    Well that claim took all of 10 seconds to debunk:

    https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov...fact_sheet.pdf

    When this was at trial, they apparently had difficulty finding anyone who would be forced to obtain an ID.

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    Re: Federal Court Blocks Texas Voter ID Law

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    Re: Federal Court Blocks Texas Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Well that claim took all of 10 seconds to debunk:

    https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov...fact_sheet.pdf

    When this was at trial, they apparently had difficulty finding anyone who would be forced to obtain an ID.
    Not "debunked" at all. The thing is when you're not in court, you can produce BS like that link. In court, you can't.

    For example, here is the initial claim from your link:

    Evidence presented at trial by the State of Texas shows that Attorney General Holder’s list of voters who lack government-issued photo identification is fatally flawed because DOJ’s list includes dead voters, failed to exclude non-Texas residents, and did not attempt to match voters with photo ID databases maintained by the federal government—such as the State Department’s passport database or the Department of Defense’s military identification database.
    Now let's compare that to the findings of the Court: http://bradblog.com/Docs/TX_voter_ID...ion_100914.pdf See Page 50.

    Dr. Stephen Ansolabehere, professor of Government at Harvard University, performed an extensive match of various databases to arrive at the figures set out above, which is referred to as the “No-Match List.” First, he determined which of the 13.5 million voters in Texas’s voter registration database, the Texas Election Administration Management System (TEAM), lacked SB 14 ID. He did this by comparing individual TEAM voter records with databases containing the records of those who possessed SB 14 ID—current DPS-issued Texas driver’s licenses, Texas personal ID cards, EICs, Texas concealed handgun licenses, United States passports, citizenship certificates, and military photo IDs—to arrive at a list of voter records that did not match with any SB 14 qualified photo ID.206

    Dr. Ansolabehere “scrubbed” the list by removing entries that appeared to be duplicates and those appearing in other databases that identified persons who were deceased and who had relocated (potentially out of state). He also removed voters identified as inactive,207 and those who were eligible for SB 14’s disability exemption
    See the issue? Out of court, lying is fine. But you can't get away with baseless BS in court, because someone will actually get a chance to challenge your baseless claim and provide evidence the claim is baseless. In this case, who the hell knows which of several consistent estimates the propaganda fact sheet was referring to - none of them were prepared by DOJ or Holder. But the fact sheet did NOTHING to debunk the findings of the court.
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    Re: Federal Court Blocks Texas Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Not "debunked" at all. The thing is when you're not in court, you can produce BS like that link. In court, you can't.

    For example, here is the initial claim from your link:

    Now let's compare that to the findings of the Court: http://bradblog.com/Docs/TX_voter_ID...ion_100914.pdf See Page 50.

    See the issue? Out of court, lying is fine. But you can't get away with baseless BS in court, because someone will actually get a chance to challenge your baseless claim and provide evidence the claim is baseless. In this case, who the hell knows which of several consistent estimates the propaganda fact sheet was referring to - none of them were prepared by DOJ or Holder. But the fact sheet did NOTHING to debunk the findings of the court.
    So what does your expert conclude with respect to voter ID laws? Hmm, let's see...

    Voter identification is the controversy that isn’t. Almost no one is excluded by this requirement, and when problems arise there is now a reasonable fail safe mechanism. It is not surprising, then, that large majorities in the public support the idea.
    These findings undercut much of the heated rhetoric that has inflated the debate over voter identification requirements in the United States. It is charged that voter id requirements are used to discriminate against people, especially racial minorities, and that has a chilling effect. That almost no one is prevented from voting because of voter id requirements casts doubt on arguments from the left that this amounts to a new poll tax or literacy test.
    Access versus Integrity in Voter Identification Requirements | Stephen Ansolabehere

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    Re: Federal Court Blocks Texas Voter ID Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    So what does your expert conclude with respect to voter ID laws? Hmm, let's see...
    Access versus Integrity in Voter Identification Requirements | Stephen Ansolabehere
    Yes, I saw that in the propaganda sheet and meant to comment on it. The paper dealt with a survey of people who voted under the OLD "ID" rules (survey was in 2006 and as far as I can tell no states had successfully implemented strict PHOTO ID rules at that point). We've had to show "ID" in Tennessee for a long time - 10 years or more. Things have changed dramatically since then, namely the new rules requiring only a few kinds of PHOTO ID.

    So like conservatives do all the time, the quoted passage conflates "ID" (which I have no problem with) and "NARROW LIST OF PHOTO IDs." They're not the same.

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