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Current U-6 Unemployment Rate is 11.3%

iguanaman said:
Republicans are worse, Europe is worse. In fact the entire western world is worse. Can you imagine if the House Republicans had passed even one of Obama's job initiatives?
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Imagine if Harry Reid would have any of the passed house jobs bills come up for dicussion...My there might have even been something passed, then you wouldn't have to whine so much about the failures that are only going to get louder from demos too.

I feel for you man, you have a tough couple of years comming at you.
 
iguanaman said:
Republicans are worse, Europe is worse. In fact the entire western world is worse. Can you imagine if the House Republicans had passed even one of Obama's job initiatives?
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Oh...yes...I can imagine. And it is not good.
 
Mr.Nick said:
You want numbers or reality?

I think you trust the government too much... To prove your trust wrong give me an example of when our government was ever right when it came to fiscal spending or even the cost of war or anything for that matter. The CBO says one thing and it is 10x what the CBO expected.

For some reason I don't think you care.
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I'd be happy to answer your question...AFTER you cite your source that says only people receiving unemployment insurance benefits are classified as unemployed.

Did you think I'd just let you change the topic?
 
j-mac said:
Imagine if Harry Reid would have any of the passed house jobs bills come up for dicussion...My there might have even been something passed, then you wouldn't have to whine so much about the failures that are only going to get louder from demos too.

I feel for you man, you have a tough couple of years comming at you.
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You mean like the 50 plus repeals of Obamacare? That was the only House "jobs" bill I remember and no I am not whining...you are.
 
Mycroft said:
Oh...so your only bright side of the current situation is that the Republicans are worse. Okay. If that's all you got...
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Republicans are predictably worse. Big difference. Conservative economic policies are failures and we know why. So it's important not to let these losers near the White House again. That doesn't mean a Democratic president can fix the things Bush broke or that recessions won't happen. But it does mean that rational economic policy is excluded from a Republican administration and will always lead to disaster.
 
For everyone who keeps pointing to U6 numbers as a way to say the economy is sucking: Wrong. U6 unemployment is also down. In 2009 when Obama took office it was between 15-17%. Now it is just over 11%.

For everyone who says U6 is worthless and is not a good measure: Wrong. It is a very useful measure, because it includes people who were looking for a job but gave up because they couldn't find one and thus are technically no longer in the labor force. If all the currently unemployed gave up looking for work, the standard unemployment rate would be 0%. It doesn't require much explanation to see why looking at U6 might be useful. It also includes people who are looking for full time work but can only find part times jobs.

U6 helps shed some light on the standard unemployment numbers, and is important to look at. With that said, U6 is down just like standard unemployment, so it cannot be used as a way to claim the economy is getting worse. It shows the opposite.
 
Deuce said:
Yeah but, making six figures in North Dakota requires you to live in North Dakota.
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There are some logistical problems as well. These jobs are derived from the boom and expansion of the Bakken Oil Field. Not everyone is cut out for oil rig work, nor oil rig vendor jobs which are largely truck driving, and heavy lifting of all sorts. Ever try stick welding up in the air with the wind blowing over 40 mph and its -20 degrees f ? Me either, and I'm not going to. :) Not everyone is cut out for the temperature extremes of the northern plains. I've looked into this personally and one cannot find housing easily in or around Williston, ND, which is where all these magical jobs are. You need to get hired and hope the company houses you, which may not be that good a deal. If you can find land and capital you might consider a decent bar and strip club to set up nearby. Booms towns are the same now as they ever were.
 
FaceofBachmann said:
Republicans are predictably worse. Big difference. Conservative economic policies are failures and we know why. So it's important not to let these losers near the White House again. That doesn't mean a Democratic president can fix the things Bush broke or that recessions won't happen. But it does mean that rational economic policy is excluded from a Republican administration and will always lead to disaster.
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Yeah, yeah...more "blame the Republicans".

You'll excuse me if I disregard that old, tired liberal tactic. I mean, after 6 freaking years of nothing but failure from the Democrats...that's all you got.
 
Lakryte;106384 For everyone who says U6 is worthless and is not a good measure: Wrong. It is a very useful measure said:
It also includes people who are looking for full time work but can only find part times jobs.
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Sort of. Part time for economic reasons means that the respondent wanted and was available to work 35+ hours but worked less than 35 due to slow or slack business or unable to find full time work. Many of those part time for economic reasons usually work full time, but hurt a slow period.
 
Mycroft said:
Yeah, yeah...more "blame the Republicans".

You'll excuse me if I disregard that old, tired liberal tactic. I mean, after 6 freaking years of nothing but failure from the Democrats...that's all you got.
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I certainly do blame Republicans for their utterly failed policies. The fact that you don't is further reason why we can't afford to let the GOP govern in the future ever again.
 
FaceofBachmann said:
I certainly do blame Republicans for their utterly failed policies. The fact that you don't is further reason why we can't afford to let the GOP govern in the future ever again.
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I neither blame nor not blame Republicans because they are not the ones who have been making and implementing policies for the last 6 years.

Look, I know you don't want to place any responsibilities on the Democrats. That's why you have nothing except talking about Republicans. That's okay. We've seen this for 6 years from every liberal/progressive/Democrat from the President on down to you on this forum. But that doesn't make your avoidance something to laud. Personally, I'd be ashamed if my only way to defend the Republican's actions would be by talking about how bad the Democrats are...and I'm not even Republican.
 
Mycroft said:
I neither blame nor not blame Republicans because they are not the ones who have been making and implementing policies for the last 6 years.

Look, I know you don't want to place any responsibilities on the Democrats. That's why you have nothing except talking about Republicans. That's okay. We've seen this for 6 years from every liberal/progressive/Democrat from the President on down to you on this forum. But that doesn't make your avoidance something to laud. Personally, I'd be ashamed if my only way to defend the Republican's actions would be by talking about how bad the Democrats are...and I'm not even Republican.
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So, with the Republican controlled house, you don't place ANY blame on Republicans? Are you serious? Look, I know damn well the Dems are to blame for many things, but don't even try to sell the Republicans aren't responsible for ANYTHING bad.

sounds like YOU are the one giving Republicans a 'free pass".
 
Mycroft said:
I neither blame nor not blame Republicans because they are not the ones who have been making and implementing policies for the last 6 years.

Look, I know you don't want to place any responsibilities on the Democrats. That's why you have nothing except talking about Republicans. That's okay. We've seen this for 6 years from every liberal/progressive/Democrat from the President on down to you on this forum. But that doesn't make your avoidance something to laud. Personally, I'd be ashamed if my only way to defend the Republican's actions would be by talking about how bad the Democrats are...and I'm not even Republican.
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So your claim now is that Bush's tax cutting and deregulation had nothing to do with the recession. You're that desperate.

Conseratives get their way entirely for 8 years, run the economy into a ditch, and what do you do -- blame Obama. Perfect.
 
a351 said:
:roll: The same spiel every month. The U-6, which is not an unemployment rate, but a measure of underutilization, has declined by 6 percent since the end of the Recession and has mirrored the decline in the official rate to a nearly perfect degree. Those who latch onto this figure to the exclusion of all others do so for strictly political purposes.
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The way I see it, if the "unemployment rate" declines by any measure it's a step in the right direction. Only those who continue to harp on "what the numbers truly mean, what are the real unemployment numbers, unemployed -vs- under-employed, etc." make such distinctions only to win political points. Any time unemployment goes down it's a good thing.
 
Fast forward to 2017 when there's a Republican President, and all of a sudden they'll fall out of love with these numbers.
 
Mycroft said:
So? Does that make it good?
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It might lend credence to the idea that the recovery has been as good as could be reasonably expected under the circumstances. I suspect that there is no speed of recovery that would have satisfied the Obama Derangement Syndrome crowd.
 
Mycroft said:
Yeah, yeah...more "blame the Republicans".

You'll excuse me if I disregard that old, tired liberal tactic. I mean, after 6 freaking years of nothing but failure from the Democrats...that's all you got.
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Yeah, you're right. I'm sure you've been more than reasonable with Democrats. You've never blamed them for bull**** beyond their control, I'm sure.
 
TheNextEra said:
So, with the Republican controlled house, you don't place ANY blame on Republicans? Are you serious? Look, I know damn well the Dems are to blame for many things, but don't even try to sell the Republicans aren't responsible for ANYTHING bad.

sounds like YOU are the one giving Republicans a 'free pass".
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The Republicans...and the people...saw what the Democrats did when they had the majority and shellacked them for it. No...I give the House Republicans credit for preventing the Democrats from screwing things up even more.
 
FaceofBachmann said:
So your claim now is that Bush's tax cutting and deregulation had nothing to do with the recession. You're that desperate.

Conseratives get their way entirely for 8 years, run the economy into a ditch, and what do you do -- blame Obama. Perfect.
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Oh...now you want to talk about Bush and the recession, eh? LOL!! Next thing you are going to do is whine about how tough it's been for the Democrats to recover our economy...in six freaking years!!
 
Deuce said:
It might lend credence to the idea that the recovery has been as good as could be reasonably expected under the circumstances. I suspect that there is no speed of recovery that would have satisfied the Obama Derangement Syndrome crowd.
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You are satisfied with our anemic recovery...over a six year period? Because things were soooo bad? Damn! You are as bad as Obama when it comes to not taking responsibility.
 
Deuce said:
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure you've been more than reasonable with Democrats. You've never blamed them for bull**** beyond their control, I'm sure.
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Oh...now it's about me?

Dude...I'm just trying to talk about current issues.

Anyway, Democrats have been in control for 6 years. Why are you making excuses? "beyond their control" LOL!!
 
Mr.Nick said:
I don't give a **** what fudged numbers you spew - I see reality and reality trumps your fudged numbers... When I see closed stores left and right and mini-malls that are only 20% capacity with the only stores being corporate stores and all the small mom and pop stores gone - yea that is reality - your numbers are useless to me.
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Your impressions are mere anecdotes. They are substantially irrelevant in an adult argument. They prove nothing and are not worth the cyberspace they take up. Find some emperical data to support your position or sit back and watch adults debate issues.
 
Mycroft said:
The Republicans...and the people...saw what the Democrats did when they had the majority and shellacked them for it. No...I give the House Republicans credit for preventing the Democrats from screwing things up even more.
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Is that why the people and the electoral voted for Obama TWICE?
Also, are you going to seriously sit there and say that the house didn't vote for the budget that the Dems had? that they didn't vote for increases in spending and size of government? Oh puleease, go sell that on the conservative facebook page. No one is buying that bull**** here.

House republicans damn well have blame but you're too partisan to even notice.
 
TheNextEra said:
Is that why the people and the electoral voted for Obama TWICE?
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shrug...

Too bad for the Democrats that Obama isn't running for election, eh? Now they have to run on their own merits...if we can get them to take responsibility for their merits, that is.

Also, are you going to seriously sit there and say that the house didn't vote for the budget that the Dems had? that they didn't vote for increases in spending and size of government? Oh puleease, go sell that on the conservative facebook page. No one is buying that bull**** here.
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Budget? What budget? Oh...wait...are you talking about all those continuing resolutions? You know...let's keep spending as we always have been because we can't (or won't) bring ourselves to actually DECIDE what to spend money on?

House republicans damn well have blame but you're too partisan to even notice.
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Oh...I'm sure there's something to blame Republicans for...but the lousy recovery...the crappy unemployment situation...isn't one of them.
 
Mycroft said:
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Too bad for the Democrats that Obama isn't running for election, eh? Now they have to run on their own merits...if we can get them to take responsibility for their merits, that is.
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As I said before, it is all in cycles. Republicans come into power, screw things up, then the Dems come in power and screw things up. Endless cycle and you GOP and Dem voters can't get that through your heads.


Budget? What budget? Oh...wait...are you talking about all those continuing resolutions? You know...let's keep spending as we always have been because we can't (or won't) bring ourselves to actually DECIDE what to spend money on?
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Hmmmmm GOP voted to increase spending as well. Oh wait, let me guess, that is all the Dems fault the GOP voted for increases as well right?

Oh...I'm sure there's something to blame Republicans for...but the lousy recovery...the crappy unemployment situation...isn't one of them.
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How about increased spending? Oh wait that MUST be the Dems fault because you don't hold the GOP accountable for ANYTHING even under the Bush years because of your partisan and can't blame the GOP for ANYTHING. Typical Con, always blaming the Dems for everything yet don't hold the GOP accountable for ANYTHING.
 
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