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Police Reveal Gruesome Beheading Detail in Oklahoma Food Distribution Plant [W:15]

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Police Reveal Gruesome Beheading Detail in Oklahoma Food Distribution Plant Murder | TheBlaze.com

Gruesome new details have been revealed regarding a woman murdered in Moore, Oklahoma, Thursday. According to local outlets, she was beheaded by a man who was reportedly in the process of converting to Islam.

The victim, identified as Colleen Hufford, 54, died at the scene at Vaughan Foods, a food distribution company, after the violent attack unfolded around 4:05 p.m. at the hands of a male former employee.

Alton Alexander Nolen, who was fired from the business before allegedly attacking Hufford and another coworker, is the primary suspect in the case. He was shot during the attack by an off-duty officer and remans hospitalized, but is expected to survive.

Lone wolf or part of a larger plot?
 
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Just a dude with a grudge. Or at least that will be the spin.
 
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Is it a lone wolf? I'm wondering how many of these must occur before a pattern is recognizable and 2+2 is seen. I guess many more. It was confirmed he killed the first woman and did in fact behead her. Seems a little coincidental given the be-headings in Syria/Iraq by ISIS and I don't believe in coincidences much.
 
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At this point I'd be hard pressed to believe that the attack was directly tied to some kind of plot orchestrated by a third party. The suspect description is indicative of someone who had an abundance of social adaptation issues and may have been prone to this kind of behavior even without outside influence.

While the act of beheading the victim was likely inspired by the actions of Islamist extremists I would be surprised to find that the suspect was actively involved with such groups.
 
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So gruesome it had to be rushed here for all to enjoy?
 
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So gruesome it had to be rushed here for all to enjoy?

It happened yesterday at around 4 pm Central time.
 
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Police Reveal Gruesome Beheading Detail in Oklahoma Food Distribution Plant Murder | TheBlaze.com

Gruesome new details have been revealed regarding a woman murdered in Moore, Oklahoma, Thursday. According to local outlets, she was beheaded by a man who was reportedly in the process of converting to Islam.

The victim, identified as Colleen Hufford, 54, died at the scene at Vaughan Foods, a food distribution company, after the violent attack unfolded around 4:05 p.m. at the hands of a male former employee.

Alton Alexander Nolen, who was fired from the business before allegedly attacking Hufford and another coworker, is the primary suspect in the case. He was shot during the attack by an off-duty officer and remans hospitalized, but is expected to survive.

Lone wolf or part of a larger plot?

You are correct in this. However, the "off-duty officer" was more accurately described as:
....thanks to the intervention of another co-worker, the company's chief operating officer Mark Vaughan, who is also an Oklahoma County reserve deputy
Beheading suspect recently fired, Oklahoma police say - CNN.com



(Good thing the CEO took his gun to work. This little tidbit would probably be worthy of its own thread in "gun control")
 
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It happened yesterday at around 4 pm Central time.

Sorry I'm sure. So gruesome, but not too gruesome to be gloated over.
 
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The good news is that terrorists have a massive amount of ground to cover if they want to catch up to the rate we're killing ourselves at.

when-americans-kill-one-another-they-usually-use-a-gun-in-fact-americans-use-guns-to-murder-each-other-twice-as-often-as-they-use-any-other-murder-weapons.jpg
 
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The good news is that terrorists have a massive amount of ground to cover if they want to catch up to the rate we're killing ourselves at.

when-americans-kill-one-another-they-usually-use-a-gun-in-fact-americans-use-guns-to-murder-each-other-twice-as-often-as-they-use-any-other-murder-weapons.jpg

What in the hell does personal weapons mean?
 
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The good news is that terrorists have a massive amount of ground to cover if they want to catch up to the rate we're killing ourselves at.

when-americans-kill-one-another-they-usually-use-a-gun-in-fact-americans-use-guns-to-murder-each-other-twice-as-often-as-they-use-any-other-murder-weapons.jpg
That's about what, four times the number killed in the attack on the Twin Towers?

We have seen the enemy, and he is us.
 
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Sorry I'm sure. So gruesome, but not too gruesome to be gloated over.

So now it's not rushed but "gloated over". What exactly is your point? (and I'm assuming you actually have one which is a stretch).
 
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What in the hell does personal weapons mean?

At the risk of absolute speculation, I'm going to go with ninja stars. If we'd banned Shinobi a couple decades ago think how many lives could've been saved.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
This is not a gun control thread. Cease the thread jacking attempt
 
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Moderator's Warning:
This is not a gun control thread. Cease the thread jacking attempt

Wasn't trying to hijack, just trying to place a single act of violence in context of the violence our society already has. The chart includes gun deaths because that's how people predominantly murder each other here as opposed to beheading.
 
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At this point I'd be hard pressed to believe that the attack was directly tied to some kind of plot orchestrated by a third party. The suspect description is indicative of someone who had an abundance of social adaptation issues and may have been prone to this kind of behavior even without outside influence.

While the act of beheading the victim was likely inspired by the actions of Islamist extremists I would be surprised to find that the suspect was actively involved with such groups.
Naw, for sure. He only had Arabic sayings tattooed on his gut. Surely he was otherwise a fine up standing young man.
And will be a model patient at the physic ward they will send him to.
 
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What in the hell does personal weapons mean?

That's "hands, fists, or feet," apparently.

<Source: FBI Description for Aggravated Assault>


12,000 murders in a nation of well over 300,000,000 people strikes me as a miracle of modern civilization.


I also see this as a lone wolf, though he may easily have gotten the idea from the hysteria surrounding ISIS.

Let us presume for a moment that it is a terrorist operation, and more similar incidents are planned.

What should we do that we aren't already doing to prevent this?
 
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That's "hands, fists, or feet," apparently.

<Source: FBI Description for Aggravated Assault>


12,000 murders in a nation of well over 300,000,000 people strikes me as a miracle of modern civilization.


I also see this as a lone wolf, though he may easily have gotten the idea from the hysteria surrounding ISIS.

Let us presume for a moment that it is a terrorist operation, and more similar incidents are planned.

What should we do that we aren't already doing to prevent this?

If you're tolerant, even proud of 12,000 annual murders that aren't considered "terrorist," then why be concerned with one that is?
 
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I would say lone disturbed idiot, like most disturbed work place killers.
 
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If you're tolerant, even proud of 12,000 annual murders that aren't considered "terrorist," then why be concerned with one that is?

You're making my point. This is one murder. Tragic, but far from a falling sky scenario.

I'm not proud of our murder rate. I'm saying it could be and has been higher. I'm proud of the progress we've made as a species and society.

My other point is that it's not clear what the doom criers would have us do in response to this murder, except be very very afraid.

Do you have some ideas?
 
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I would say lone disturbed idiot, like most disturbed work place killers.

Do you believe Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan was the perpetrator of workplace violence?
 
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You're making my point. This is one murder. Tragic, but far from a falling sky scenario.

I'm not proud of our murder rate. I'm saying it could be and has been higher. I'm proud of the progress we've made as a species and society.

My other point is that it's not clear what the doom criers would have us do in response to this murder, except be very very afraid.

Do you have some ideas?

Apparently we were in agreement and I wasn't aware of that yet.
 
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The good news is that terrorists have a massive amount of ground to cover if they want to catch up to the rate we're killing ourselves at.

when-americans-kill-one-another-they-usually-use-a-gun-in-fact-americans-use-guns-to-murder-each-other-twice-as-often-as-they-use-any-other-murder-weapons.jpg


If only the victim had their conceal Carry and a nice Glock 17 in her purse she would be alive.
 
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