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    Re: We are now bombing in Syria.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Point out the part of The Constitution that allows the president to do what he wants, when Congress doesn't let him have his way.

    ...wow, you really do operate simply out of hatred for Obama..... I wanted to debate the simple aspect of who is stepping up in the current crisis and you seem to want to simply complain about Obama. Your current point is not germane in the least to our discussion/

    To bring this full circle, I was pointing out that he was the only government official actually on the job as the US contemplates what to do about ISIS. Congress (who, BTW, we pay over $100M per year in salaries alone) are cowering in their home districts, far from the press that are willing to provide a megaphone for the voice to heard (which they don't want to have happen, because they are cowards) have shirked their responsibilities of leadership.

    No where in the Constitution does it give the President power to act as a dictator; on the hand, Congress has the responsibility to declare war. To declare war, they have to debate war... and they have shirked responsibility. When one branch of government choose NOT do their job; its good to know someone is willing to pick up the slack.

    That all said, I hate the imperial presidency, but we have allowed it to grow and grow over the past 50 years. No one had a problem with it until now. The reason the Cons have a problem with it now is they know they will be shut out of the White House for at least 20 years....

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    Re: We are now bombing in Syria.

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ...wow, you really do operate simply out of hatred for Obama..... I wanted to debate the simple aspect of who is stepping up in the current crisis and you seem to want to simply complain about Obama. Your current point is not germane in the least to our discussion/

    To bring this full circle, I was pointing out that he was the only government official actually on the job as the US contemplates what to do about ISIS. Congress (who, BTW, we pay over $100M per year in salaries alone) are cowering in their home districts, far from the press that are willing to provide a megaphone for the voice to heard (which they don't want to have happen, because they are cowards) have shirked their responsibilities of leadership.

    No where in the Constitution does it give the President power to act as a dictator; on the hand, Congress has the responsibility to declare war. To declare war, they have to debate war... and they have shirked responsibility. When one branch of government choose NOT do their job; its good to know someone is willing to pick up the slack.

    That all said, I hate the imperial presidency, but we have allowed it to grow and grow over the past 50 years. No one had a problem with it until now. The reason the Cons have a problem with it now is they know they will be shut out of the White House for at least 20 years....
    So...you can't show us what part of The Constitution gives Obama the power to make war, without congressional approval?
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    Re: We are now bombing in Syria.

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    "I'm normally anti-war, but because it's a Democratic president declaring war...I'm all for it."
    Not always. I though Clinton made a mistake in Yugoslavia while ignoring Rawanda. I thought Lynden Johnson screwed up plenty and while I like what Harry Truman stood for he did mess up a few times in Korea.

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    Re: We are now bombing in Syria.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why aren't the anti-war folks screaming their heads off for Obama's arrest for violating the Constitution?
    Excuse me. I have heard several powerful conservatives praise him. Didn't GW Bush do the same thing? Wasn't he the one who changed the law?

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    Re: We are now bombing in Syria.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why aren't the anti-war folks screaming their heads off for Obama's arrest for violating the Constitution?
    Weren't you guys calling him a wimp a few months ago? Give me a break and make up your mind. It is not like conservatives have not ignored the constitution a few times. Remember the Communist witch hunts and the war on drugs.

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    Re: We are now bombing in Syria.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So...you can't show us what part of The Constitution gives Obama the power to make war, without congressional approval?
    Do you guys really think you can make political hay out of this dream on. It seems to me congress went on vacation without voting on this while people where getting beheaded. Give me a break.

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    Re: We are now bombing in Syria.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    The Obama war criminal is already responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent women and children and this week he has added to his list of death.
    Stop with the hypocritical BS. Didn't GW Bush's little war cause this mess in the first place? Last time I checked their was no Islamic extremist in Iraq when Saddam was in charge. He was a bully but he kept the basket case together. What happened to him? Oh that right he was hiding WMD everywhere. Not.

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    Re: We are now bombing in Syria.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Popular opinion is irrelevant.

    They explicitly said we needed to coordinate with them.
    Isn't that the argument you guys use with legal pot and gay marriage? Maybe if you righties paid more attention to what Americans wanted you would not be in so much trouble outside the bible belt.

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    Re: We are now bombing in Syria.

    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    Isn't that the argument you guys use with legal pot and gay marriage? Maybe if you righties paid more attention to what Americans wanted you would not be in so much trouble outside the bible belt.
    If you quit doing drugs your posts might make more sense.

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    Re: We are now bombing in Syria.

    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    Do you guys really think you can make political hay out of this dream on. It seems to me congress went on vacation without voting on this while people where getting beheaded. Give me a break.
    Obama has had months to take action.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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