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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    In all fairness, crunchy liberals can buy into pretty absurd crap as well. Just look at the anti-vax bunch or how neurotic some hardcore libs are about GMOs, and don't get me started on the gluten free nonsense. However, the anti-science on the left more or less follows trends, and only lasts a few years to a decade or so before they move on to something else. Moreover, stupid liberals get ridiculed by other liberals. For example, most liberals are not anti-vaccinations, so the ones that are get ridiculed by the ones that are not so ignorant.
    Meh, some people on the left latch onto bad science, but it never becomes the goal of the progressive movement, and it doesn't have an ulterior motive or perverse ideological source. It's just lack of scientific literacy.

    In contrast, anti-science is part of patho-conservatism's hatred of modernity and is motivated mostly by the desire to make sure business can maximize profits despite what we actually know about resources, pollution and biology. It fits into a conspiratorial worldview in which everybody is out to get Ernie in the trailer park and deny him his freedom to choke on pollution without access to health care. It's frightening, because anybody who believes the kind of stuff the Right peddles, will believe anything.

    That's a big difference.

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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I don't know. I don't argue about hypotheticals here.
    I seriously doubt they would protest something they believe happens naturally.Although that crowd is littered with communist so I could see them trying to exploit the man made global warming fairy tale cause to further their own goals.
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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    BUZZZZZ! 180 degrees wrong.

    The timber industry stopped control burns because they wanted all the timber. The Forest Service, in the thrall of the industry, acquiesced.

    It was the environmentalists, in conjunction with ecologists and conservation biologists, who finally got the Forest Service to follow science instead of political lobbying. This began in the 1960s with the so-called Leopold Report, which took years to be implemented due to industry obstructionism.


    Leopold Report - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Honestly, you shouldn't get your information about environmentalism from Fox News.
    You don't know what you're talking about. The Leopold report predates the shift in policy by the congress regarding the forest service management by decades. The problem with central administration and management is that what works for East Coast forest management is not the same as the West or even the regions in the flyover.

    Your info seems the sort that has no real world experience. I'm very familiar with our forests out West here.

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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    You are mistaken if you think these facts exclude increased large uncontrolled fires due to human activity. Surely you've heard of matches?
    Human activity also means fire suppression and fire prevention, even in the "natural" sphere. So it may indeed be a wash.

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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I seriously doubt they would protest something they believe happens naturally. Although that crowd is littered with communist so I could see them trying to exploit the man made global warming fairy tale cause to further their own goals.
    That is the agenda that has pretty much dominated the environmentalist movement for at least a generation or so. Watermelons—green on the outside; red on the inside.
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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    I love the smell of fear in the morning as conservatives understand that they are losing on another issue, and so have to resort to another feckless smear campaign.
    I notice you didn't itemize all the legislative accomplishments OWS achieved. Clearly, you've got the hilarious propaganda of the socialist ideology down pat though.
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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That was not an honest or accurate portrayal of the discussion, which you began by citing all the forest fires that happened, compared them to the CO2 emissions from human activity and asked why they didn't affect the climate

    The only way you could ask how those fires did not affect the climate while human activity did is by ignoring the effect both have had on increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations. If you considered the CO2 concentrations, you wouldn't have asked because CO2 concentration is the answer - specifically, those fires did not raise the CO2 concentrations higher than they are today.

    And if you spent as much time trying to understand how forests have affected the concentrations levels as you have spent on trying to win the internets, you'd understand why human activity has increased CO2 concentrations to the point that they affect global warming but the forest fires you speak of did not. (Hint: because of human activity, there is less carbon locked up in forests and guess where most of it went?)

    LOL. Thank you for you opinion, and for a view of how you process information. It's always entertaining.

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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    And I never suggested there weren't natural fires. So look who's taking things out of context. If you can't stand the heat . . .
    Of course you didn't. You just tried to attribute most to man, so the "man made" narrative could be maintained. Let's not kid ourselves here.

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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by FaceofBachmann View Post
    Since you have yet to rebut the clear fact that a large portion of fires are man-made either directly or indirectly, you seem to be arguing against yourself again.
    Yes, you have established your focus on making sure the only fires that count are man made, so therefore the "man made" spin of the obsessed can be maintained. You seem to be pigeon holed into the religion of environmentalism. Please don't assume I'm interested in reading your sermons on the subject.

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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Fact is that less and less scientists are claiming the AGW theory and some that did are now jumping the ship.
    It seems the socialists grab on to this boogieman because it is the only place they can feel empowered.

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