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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    It's standard logic to determine there are some who clutch at straws to hold on to an untenable position. In light of the author admitting there needs to be more research into understanding probability of regeneration, it's clear who is clutching.
    If you would like to start a thread in the science section on forest fires and regeneration, I am happy to debate you on the subject there. When he made that statement, he was talking about catastrophic stand removing fires in the arid west. That does not apply to the vast majority of forest fires. If it did, we would not have a forest left on earth as just about every forest on this planet experiences fire at some point.

    Moreover, an increase in the frequency of stand replacing fires in arid areas is projected with increased temperatures in a warming climate, and is also projected to be a positive feedback.
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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You're missing the forest for the trees.

    The fact is that forest fires have always occurred. A forest fire, or even several, including large ones, is just one part of the puzzle. What counts overall is the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.
    Moreover, I don't know of any studies that claim that recent forest fires have added more CO2 into the atmosphere than human activity has. If that were the case, atmospheric C02 concentrations would have doubled in the last year or 2. I mean the argument he is trying to make defies even common sense.
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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good afternoon Ocean,

    I believe the answer to that question would be the forestry and underbrush management protocols put in place that ended many controlled burns and clearing of underbrush coupled with traditional drought cyclical conditions, coupled with encroachment of residential building and increases in human activity in many of these areas and you have the makings of some pretty serious man-made infernos.

    But there's no doubt that fire is natures way of cleansing the landscape and starting fresh.
    Good afternoon CJ. No question it has been learned overly aggressive fire management added to the fuel load of fires in previous years. Nature does have a way to doing things, and clearing the way for new growth is one of the ways nature has used fire to it's advantage.

    Considering the forested land coverage of many hundreds and thousands of years ago, under the right conditions, these naturally caused fires must have been quite the sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    We had that decades ago. The NIMBYs made us stop, and a congress centered on a East Coast forest management style took the reins away from the Forest service. The Sierra Clubs and the enviroweenies of the time hated controlled burns and forest management.
    BUZZZZZ! 180 degrees wrong.

    The timber industry stopped control burns because they wanted all the timber. The Forest Service, in the thrall of the industry, acquiesced.

    It was the environmentalists, in conjunction with ecologists and conservation biologists, who finally got the Forest Service to follow science instead of political lobbying. This began in the 1960s with the so-called Leopold Report, which took years to be implemented due to industry obstructionism.


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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You're missing the forest for the trees.

    The fact is that forest fires have always occurred. A forest fire, or even several, including large ones, is just one part of the puzzle. What counts overall is the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.
    I don't believe I have missed anything. I am merely citing research into the subject. Perhaps you're missing the part about the quantity of CO2 released during these fires, compared to that caused by human activity.

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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    If you would like to start a thread in the science section on forest fires and regeneration, I am happy to debate you on the subject there. When he made that statement, he was talking about catastrophic stand removing fires in the arid west. That does not apply to the vast majority of forest fires. If it did, we would not have a forest left on earth as just about every forest on this planet experiences fire at some point.

    Moreover, an increase in the frequency of stand replacing fires in arid areas is projected with increased temperatures in a warming climate, and is also projected to be a positive feedback.
    Fair enough. We'll leave the massive CO2 releases from forest fires for some other thread topic. Much easier to continue the AGW argument to the experts marching in support of the theory, without clouding the issue with facts.

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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Fair enough. We'll leave the massive CO2 releases from forest fires for some other thread topic. Much easier to continue the AGW argument to the experts marching in support of the theory, without clouding the issue with facts.
    Your contention seems to be that recent catastrophic forest fires have released more CO2 into the atmosphere than human activity has since the dawn of the industrial age. If that is the case, then why has atmospheric CO2 concentrations not doubled in the last few years as a result of those fires?
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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I don't believe I have missed anything. I am merely citing research into the subject. Perhaps you're missing the part about the quantity of CO2 released during these fires, compared to that caused by human activity.
    Yes you are. You are missing the most important thing, and the only thing that counts as far as global warming goes - the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere.
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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I don't believe I have missed anything. I am merely citing research into the subject. Perhaps you're missing the part about the quantity of CO2 released during these fires, compared to that caused by human activity.
    Forest fires (large uncontrolled ones) are in fact proximately and indirectly often the result of human activity. So even if your claim were correct, it argues against your position.

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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes you are. You are missing the most important thing, and the only thing that counts as far as global warming goes - the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere.
    Well not entirely. Land use changes are a factor as well as they can change the albedo of the earth's surface. CO2 aside, I don't get how anyone could think we could develop 40% of the world's land surface and not have any impact on the climate.
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