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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    It has been suggested that the accumulated CO2 release from naturally caused forest fires throughout the ages has released many more times the CO2 into the atmosphere than the total amount of CO2 released by man since the dawn of modern man.

    Why wasn't the climate impacted then?


    This is an article that touches on the subject. There is something quite interesting about the study, and the matter of follow up to it's implications.

    nsf.gov - National Science Foundation (NSF) News - U.S. Fires Release Enormous Amounts of Carbon Dioxide - US National Science Foundation (NSF)
    Ehhh...the CO2 never accumulated in the atmosphere...plants and animals consumed the CO2, died, decomposed and were buried under layers and layers of mud, rock, and sand. We now call that "accumulated" CO2 fossil fuels....
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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

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    And you'll notice with the TP rally, the trash can is full and all the overflow grouped around it for pickup. Not just thrown in the street like the green rallies.
    And we all know that NYC has an abundance of unfilled trash cans
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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yes as I explained they're typically the initial catalyst for more or less carbon being naturally sequestered in the oceans. In the past, c02 was a positive feedback resulting from initial warming.
    So your saying when CO2 is a leading indicator it's global warming and when it's a lagging indicator it's global warming?
    Might try and bone up on the Milanovitch Cycles.

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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And we all know that NYC has an abundance of unfilled trash cans
    Actually, it's a very clean city these days. Has been for some time now. You should know this.

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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    So your saying when CO2 is a leading indicator it's global warming and when it's a lagging indicator it's global warming?
    Might try and bone up on the Milanovitch Cycles.
    Large emissions of CO2 in the past have caused rapid climate change...the Kalkaridnji eruptions in the Mid-Cambrian period and eruptions during the Permian period in Siberia are both examples of rapid climate change due to CO2.

    CO2 being a "lagging indicator" is only because the changes mentioned are generally started by Earth's orbital cycles triggering the warming or cooling. The cooling and warming of the earths oceans lead to less/more CO2 in the atmosphere and magnified cooling/warming.
    The reason we have such drastic changes in temperature is due to the greenhouse effect.
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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You should read your own links:

    Filling in the gaps

    First, there is a need for research on carbon storage in ecosystems with surface- or mixed-severity fire regimes, where stand-replacing fires may lead to land cover conversions that could move the carbon from the forest to the atmosphere—possibly for centuries. Second, the landscape effects of fuel treatments on forest carbon storage need to be investigated. To fully understand the carbon consequences of fuel treatments requires a landscape scale study of current and projected fire intervals as well as information on regeneration.

    And Dr. Ryan specifically emphasizes the need for regeneration research: “I think that’s the thing we need to be looking at next. We [the Forest Service] don’t have a good sense of how this last decade of fires has actually regenerated. We need to conduct a broadscale study in a number of different forest types. We need to know what the probability of regeneration really is. Do we have a
    problem in this area or don’t we?” By continuing to work towards understanding these (among other) unknowns surrounding the interactions of forests, fire, and carbon, we can better refine our management strategies to realize significant carbon sequestration in accord with other land management practices aimed at improving the health of our forests.


    Sorry, but that would be referred to as FAIL.

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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Ehhh...the CO2 never accumulated in the atmosphere...plants and animals consumed the CO2, died, decomposed and were buried under layers and layers of mud, rock, and sand. We now call that "accumulated" CO2 fossil fuels....
    Ehh, that's not what science has shown. Perhaps you can provide a link that shows how multi thousand square mile forest fires that burned for years somehow didn't deposit the released CO2 in the atmosphere.

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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Ehh, that's not what science has shown. Perhaps you can provide a link that shows how multi thousand square mile forest fires that burned for years somehow didn't deposit the released CO2 in the atmosphere.
    I was responding to this portion of your post

    It has been suggested that the accumulated CO2 release from naturally caused forest fires throughout the ages has released many more times the CO2 into the atmosphere than the total amount of CO2 released by man since the dawn of modern man.
    CO2 didn't accumulate because large potions of CO2 were trapped underground and eventually became oil, gas, and coal.

    As for large forest forest occurring and pumping out CO2, no one has ever stated that the earth doesn't every day release CO2 into the air and have methods of taking CO2 out of the air. The whole global warming thing is that human kind has come about and started releasing large amounts of CO2 while deforesting large portions of the land which is upsetting the natural balance.
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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I was responding to this portion of your post



    CO2 didn't accumulate because large potions of CO2 were trapped underground and eventually became oil, gas, and coal.

    As for large forest forest occurring and pumping out CO2, no one has ever stated that the earth doesn't every day release CO2 into the air and have methods of taking CO2 out of the air. The whole global warming thing is that human kind has come about and started releasing large amounts of CO2 while deforesting large portions of the land which is upsetting the natural balance.
    It is well known the Earth was covered by far more forested land just a few hundreds of years ago. Fire was so common, many tree species depend on it to propagate their species. Studies have shown that a single major fire releases more CO2 in an area than is produced by all man-made activities in the surround state does in a single year.

    Again, it has been estimated the size and unchecked nature of these multi year mega fires, and the amount of CO2 released, exceeded what man has caused to be released during "his" entire existence on Earth. So the question remains.

    Why didn't these massive releases of CO2 into the atmosphere have the impact that is being sold today?

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    Re: Hundreds Of Thousands Turn Out For People's Climate March In New York City

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    It is well known the Earth was covered by far more forested land just a few hundreds of years ago. Fire was so common, many tree species depend on it to propagate their species. Studies have shown that a single major fire releases more CO2 in an area than is produced by all man-made activities in the surround state does in a single year.

    Again, it has been estimated the size and unchecked nature of these multi year mega fires, and the amount of CO2 released, exceeded what man has caused to be released during "his" entire existence on Earth. So the question remains.

    Why didn't these massive releases of CO2 into the atmosphere have the impact that is being sold today?
    Can you link the "multi-year mega fire" article? Most of the literature I've read states that mega fires are a new phenomenon
    http://sfrc.ufl.edu/cfeor/LogIn/log%...ga%20fires.pdf

    Typically listing the 1970's as the time frame they've started occurring.

    In many parts of the world, the prevalence of massive, high-intensity wildfires that were rare only a couple decades ago has been increasing at an alarming rate.
    While ignition sources vary (some of the fires were set deliberately for agricultural purposes), fire scientists say most so-called megafires stem from a combination of climate change-induced drought, land use and human mismanagement that has combined to turn landscapes into tinderboxes.
    High-Intensity 'Megafires' a New Global Danger
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