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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Well, I don't really know what to tell you man. The problem you're having isn't a lack of information, it is just that you lack moral values. I could have helped you with the former, but not the latter. So, best of luck with that I guess.

    "moral values"

    I suppose "moral values" trumps the First Amendment?

    Well that is without question the progressive mindset er value.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    "moral values"

    I suppose "moral values" trumps the First Amendment?

    Well that is without question the progressive mindset er value.
    How did we get on the first amendment?

    Does this group have the right to place ads? Yes. Is the MTA required to give them a forum? No.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    "moral values"

    I suppose "moral values" trumps the First Amendment?

    Well that is without question the progressive mindset er value.
    Not really sure what you're talking about. I pointed out that that poster was displaying a lack of moral values, not that the government should silence him or something, so nothing to do with the first amendment.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Islam is NOT an ethnic group! It is a belief system, one that is clearly foolish, harmful and dangerous. Why not deal with the facts rather than cliched hyperbole?Demographics? How is that related to the points raised concerning Islam? And what 'cultural progress' are you referring to?
    No, that's incorrect. Religious groups are demographic groups. It is indeed kind of an oddity- all the other characteristics that define demographic groups are immutable. But, for whatever reason, everybody has always considered religion to be a demographic group. Presumably because in reality, like 95% of people remain whatever religion they happen to be born into.

    The cultural progress I refer to is, obviously, the rejection of bigotry as stupid and immoral that has occurred over the past 150 years or so. You missed that entirely?

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    How did we get on the first amendment?

    Does this group have the right to place ads? Yes. Is the MTA required to give them a forum? No.
    It seems that they were required to allow space with the precedent being one an Islamic organization used earlier about Israel.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    No, that's incorrect. Religious groups are demographic groups. It is indeed kind of an oddity- all the other characteristics that define demographic groups are immutable. But, for whatever reason, everybody has always considered religion to be a demographic group. Presumably because in reality, like 95% of people remain whatever religion they happen to be born into.
    Okay we will accept that Islam is a demographic group but what point are you trying to make? Everyone fits into a demographic group of some sort, making it all rather vague.

    The cultural progress I refer to is, obviously, the rejection of bigotry as stupid and immoral that has occurred over the past 150 years or so. You missed that entirely?
    The cultural progress of whom? Please try to make yourself clear as I don't want to misread or misquote your intent. Are we still discussing Muslims and the ad campaign?

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Okay we will accept that Islam is a demographic group but what point are you trying to make? Everyone fits into a demographic group of some sort, making it all rather vague.

    The cultural progress of whom? Please try to make yourself clear as I don't want to misread or misquote your intent. Are we still discussing Muslims and the ad campaign?
    The most important change- probably of any kind at all- in the past 150 years has been that our species has generally rejected bigotry. We rejected the idea that some demographic groups are superior to other demographic groups. Somehow, you seem not to be aware of that whole plot, which strikes me as very strange.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    The most important change- probably of any kind at all- in the past 150 years has been that our species has generally rejected bigotry. We rejected the idea that some demographic groups are superior to other demographic groups. Somehow, you seem not to be aware of that whole plot, which strikes me as very strange.
    You seem to have no understanding of history, which makes it difficult to debate your points.

    Bigotry has certainly not disappeared over the last 150 years as we have seen with the Communists, Nazis, Fascists, slave owners and, most recently and on the topic, Muslims attacking Christians, Jews and each other.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Bigotry has certainly not disappeared over the last 150 years as we have seen with the Communists, Nazis, Fascists, slave owners and, most recently and on the topic, Muslims attacking Christians, Jews and each other.
    That's the team you want to be on?

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Haters are going to keep hating.

    It's what they do.

    Who is surprised by this?

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