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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    No, I do not. And I have no plans to change that.
    Well, I don't really know what to tell you man. The problem you're having isn't a lack of information, it is just that you lack moral values. I could have helped you with the former, but not the latter. So, best of luck with that I guess.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Well, I don't really know what to tell you man. The problem you're having isn't a lack of information, it is just that you lack moral values. I could have helped you with the former, but not the latter. So, best of luck with that I guess.
    I don't give a tinker's damn what you think of my moral values, but I take note of your condescending personal insult. If you want to learn about the standards of civility here, keep making the insults you've been slinging around on this thread.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I don't give a tinker's damn what you think of my moral values, but I take note of your condescending personal insult. If you want to learn about the standards of civility here, keep making the insults you've been slinging around on this thread.
    OK lol, so after insulting 1 billion people, not even one of whom you know, you're going to get all butthurt over being insulted yourself? Kind of ridiculous behavior, don't you think?

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

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    Look man, you just aren't getting where you went wrong at all. The issue isn't like that you picked the wrong group to be critical of or something lol, it is that no ethnic group is superior or inferior to another. Period.
    Islam is NOT an ethnic group! It is a belief system, one that is clearly foolish, harmful and dangerous. Why not deal with the facts rather than cliched hyperbole?
    How smart or moral or whatever somebody is isn't determined by what demographic group they are in... How do you not get this stuff? I feel like I'm talking to a second grader. Nobody ever taught you this stuff? You somehow just zoned out on all the cultural progress of the past 150 years or so?
    Demographics? How is that related to the points raised concerning Islam? And what 'cultural progress' are you referring to?

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Islam is NOT an ethnic group! It is a belief system, one that is clearly foolish, harmful and dangerous.
    Radical Islam is dangerous.

    Reza Aslan is a Muslim. Are his beliefs foolish*, harmful and dangerous? Fareed Zakaria is a Muslim. Are his beliefs foolish*, harmful and dangerous?

    * -- I'll even grant (no pun intended) you foolish, since I think all religious beliefs are "foolish," to an extent.

    This is wikipedia's summary (not perfect, but I'm in no mood to dig) of Zakaria's post-9/11 Newsweek story, "Why They Hate Us":

    After the 9/11 attacks, in a Newsweek cover essay, "Why They Hate Us," Zakaria argued that Islamic extremism was not fundamentally rooted in Islam, nor could it be claimed a reaction to American foreign policy. He located the problem in the political/social/economic stagnation of Arab societies, which then bred an extreme, religious opposition. He portrayed Osama bin Laden as one in a long line of extremists who used religion to justify mass murder. Zakaria argued for an inter-generational effort to create more open and dynamic societies in Arab countries, and thereby helping Islam enter the modern world.
    http://www.newsweek.com/politics-rag...hate-us-154345

    Is any of this wrong?
    Last edited by Kobie; 09-28-14 at 12:37 AM.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Radical Islam is dangerous.

    Reza Aslan is a Muslim. Are his beliefs foolish*, harmful and dangerous? Fareed Zakaria is a Muslim. Are his beliefs foolish*, harmful and dangerous?

    * -- I'll even grant (no pun intended) you foolish, since I think all religious beliefs are "foolish," to an extent.

    This is wikipedia's summary (not perfect, but I'm in no mood to dig) of Zakaria's post-9/11 Newsweek story, "Why They Hate Us":



    http://www.newsweek.com/politics-rag...hate-us-154345

    Is any of this wrong?
    A pretty good post!

    Had Zakaria used the word Muslim rather than Arab he would have been spot on.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    A pretty good post!

    Had Zakaria used the word Muslim rather than Arab he would have been spot on.
    But there are Muslim societies that aren't stagnated. The Muslim societies that are stagnated are largely located with in the Arab world (Pakistan has degenerated substantially since he wrote that in 2001).
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    But there are Muslim societies that aren't stagnated. The Muslim societies that are stagnated are largely located with in the Arab world (Pakistan has degenerated substantially since he wrote that in 2001).
    I know of no vibrant and forward looking Muslims societies. The more powerful Islam becomes the more repressive the country becomes.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I know of no vibrant and forward looking Muslims societies. The more powerful Islam becomes the more repressive the country becomes.
    Islam is no more or less powerful in, say, Indonesia now than it was 20 years ago. So why is Indonesia trending more repressive?
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Islam is no more or less powerful in, say, Indonesia now than it was 20 years ago. So why is Indonesia trending more repressive?
    All Islamist countries are becoming more repressive, and Indonesia is no exception. Radical Islam in Indonesia - Islamism - Terrorism in Indonesia | Indonesia Investments

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