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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Everything those ads claim is accurate, and I agree with them completely. The city is apparently trying to claim this is speech that falls outside the First Amendment protection under the "clear and present danger" exception--i.e, that it is calculated to and likely to create an imminent threat of lawless action. I doubt it can make that fly. Good luck to Ms. Geller and her organization. It's high time Americans started calling these lousy SOB's out for what they are. They like the idea of using violence against other people--let's see how they like wondering if some of those people may use it on them first.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This recent parade didn't gain as much attention as the ads did. ‘Pro-Terror’ (United American)Muslim Day Parade – NYC- 2014- pics/vids | the "silent" majority no more!

    There a fear by some of offending Muslims and Islam moreso than other groups or religions and, as well, we might also ask ourselves if anything on that ad is untrue. Given the amount of Islamic violence against innocent people throughout the world in the past few decades I think it's time we dropped our concerns about offending anyone. This does not mean we should be attacking or defaming innocent individual Muslims but I see no problem in attacking the religion which is committing so much violence in the world today.
    Islam is a politically correct religion. Liberals are obligated to defend it. I believe the anti-American/anti-democracy ellements make Islam acceptable to Liberals.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Well, that should calm things down

    Pamela Gellar is a nutjob who spends her existance inciting hatred of a entire people based on religious affiliation.
    Does Pamela Gellar hate ALL Muslims, or just those who advocate, condone or consider terrorism?

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    While all racism is bigotry, not all bigotry is racism. Islam is a religion, not a race, therefore anti-Islamic statements, while they are bigoted, are not racist.

    Technically no. But it adds up to the same thing. These ads isolate a religion/sect and draw a straight line from Islam to terrorism. There is also the "Arab" factor. The largest concentration of Muslims isn't even in the middle east, but Indonesia, and yet this isolates Arab based Muslims.

    So in the end, if not racism, then xenophobia....
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Islam is a politically correct religion. Liberals are obligated to defend it. I believe the anti-American/anti-democracy ellements make Islam acceptable to Liberals.
    They've been defending it at least since 9/11 while attacking Christianity, as we can see on these threads. Christopher Hitchens is one of many who noticed these bizarre reactions.
    So here is what I want to say on the absolutely crucial matter of secularism. Only one faction in American politics has found itself able to make excuses for the kind of religious fanaticism that immediately menaces us in the here and now. And that faction, I am sorry and furious to say, is the left. From the first day of the immolation of the World Trade Center, right down to the present moment, a gallery of pseudointellectuals has been willing to represent the worst face of Islam as the voice of the oppressed. How can these people bear to reread their own propaganda? Suicide murderers in Palestine—disowned and denounced by the new leader of the PLO—described as the victims of "despair." The forces of al-Qaida and the Taliban represented as misguided spokespeople for antiglobalization. The blood-maddened thugs in Iraq, who would rather bring down the roof on a suffering people than allow them to vote, pictured prettily as "insurgents" or even, by Michael Moore, as the moral equivalent of our Founding Fathers. If this is liberal secularism, I'll take a modest, God-fearing, deer-hunting Baptist from Kentucky every time, as long as he didn't want to impose his principles on me (which our Constitution forbids him to do).

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They've been defending it at least since 9/11 while attacking Christianity, as we can see on these threads. Christopher Hitchens is one of many who noticed these bizarre reactions.
    They had to put it in over-drive after 9/11.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This is their rationale. FDI
    Its rationale is sweeping exaggeration. No one disputes the existence of radical and extreme ideological strains and movements within the Islamic world, but the group goes far beyond focusing on those ideological movements. Instead it proclaims that it is telling the "truth" about Islam, effectively treating all Muslims as extremists or potential extremists.

    Moreover, some of its policy remedies are incoherent and inaccurate, to say the least. For example, its piece describing the ads explains, "The fourth ad points out that 'Christians are becoming extinct everywhere in the Middle East except Israel' and calls for an end to U.S. aid to Islamic countries in light of the ongoing and increasing Muslim persecution of Christians."

    Such a characterization ignores Egypt where the radical Islamist government was driven from power and the country has been fighting radical Islamists in the Sinai Peninsula, supporting Israel against the Hamas terrorist organization, and cooperating with the U.S. in fighting ISIS. Egypt is a predominantly Muslim country that deserves support.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh, so hating Islam equates to being a racist?
    Who said that? Certainly not me. I'm commenting on what you DID say.....

    Does hating muslims equate to being a racist?

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    They're Muslims and I hate Muslims.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Islam is a politically correct religion. Liberals are obligated to defend it. I believe the anti-American/anti-democracy ellements make Islam acceptable to Liberals.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Here in Toronto, on our buses and subways, religious ads are always controversial. However, if they simply espouse the "benefits" of one religion without disparaging any other religion they have been accepted in limited ways. The ones I've seen have simply been informational such as "get more information here", etc.

    Personally, regardless of your views on the topics expressed in the three ads posted in the OP, I believe these ads are dangerous in that they could incite violence against anyone who is outwardly Islamic and clearly many Muslims wear their religion quite clearly in their everyday lives. On that basis, I would oppose them just as strenuously as I would oppose some Palestinian support group who wanted to post ads condemning Israel for Palestinian "apartheid".


    Much the same practice here, although there is always some from of controversy Translink has to deal with, graphic pro-life ads, well, this is the Left Coast.

    I agree, these are an attack on an identifiable group and would seem to denigrate the whole of Islam.
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