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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Do you have white Canadians that have been influenced to Islam religion and all of a sudden they let their beard's grow, and wear Arabian clothes?
    Yes, we have - particularly young people, both male and female.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I guess my analogy fails because you didn't understand it. The "thief" in my analogy was not Ray, pictured in the ad - the "thief" is/was the advertising companies who, on behalf of their clients, frequently place subliminal, suggestive, messages within otherwise harmless ads. Therefore, the analogy was "just because this ad didn't have a subliminal message, doesn't mean that ads don't often have subliminal messages.
    Fair enough ... I wasn't following your particular train of thought at the time.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

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    To summarize my take on yours ... I hold the First Amendment sacrosanct, but just because you can does not mean you should.
    Yes, and there can be competing/conflicting first amendment rights related to speech versus religion.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I understand your concerns, but I do not see where these ads violate the "religious clauses" in the First Amendment. Not the establishment clause nor the free exercise clause. But to deny the ads would indeed violate the free speech clause which is also found in the First Amendment.
    Good morning Vesper,

    The ad I had particular concern with, displayed in a public institution which I consider public transit to be, is the one that says "it's not Islamophobia, it's Islamorealism", below the image of the young Brit believed to be the executioner of James Foley as well as the image taken shortly before James Foley is murdered. To me, that equates directly murder with Islam - calling it "realism". One could argue it would be no different than saying "it's not Brit-phobia, it's Brit-realism", implying that all Brits are murderers. The first amendment difference is that religion has some protections whereas Brits do not.

    I don't think you or I would disagree that the purpose of these ads is to stir up resentment at a minimum and active resentment either political or, more troubling resentment leading to physical violence. These aren't ads designed in the public service announcement category, at least from my view. They're dangerous, in my view, because they are so blatant in their message, and that makes them unsuitable in a public institution.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    That's been happening since before 9/11. Apparently we can't tell people with turbans apart here.
    This may sound idiotic, but I can't tell any of them apart and I can't tell nationalities apart - show me a Central American or a South East Asian and ask me which country and I'm totally lost whereas some people can pick everyone out and tag them accurately. For me, I just see a man or woman or child and that's all that matters - the detail doesn't mean a thing to me because it's not important to me.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Fair enough ... I wasn't following your particular train of thought at the time.

    The Jays gave it a good run. Gibbons is done after this season, methinks. AA gets a reprieve.
    Jays? You mean the cute birds who frequently visit my yard? That team is still on the death watch for me and until both Gibbons and AA are gone, preferably Beeston too, they don't exist in my world. I'd love to see them finish under .500 and Tampa catch them.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Yes, we have - particularly young people, both male and female.
    We do too. It is a clear cut sign that Arabs have been more influential than one's own government and culture! I feel disappointed when I see them! Albanians thinking that they are freaking Arabs man!

    Luckily they are the minority. But when the population is homogenous and we are not as much in the world anyway, the influence seems to do more damage I believe? How does that makes you feel?
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Quit with the victim card. It's not a personal attack. You seem to think anything that remotely connects to you is a "personal attack." If you feel it's a personal attack, push the report post button and stop talking about it in-thread.

    Conservatives have talked about all sorts of things like banning the construction of mosques and preventing Muslims from immigrating to this country. Even to the point of ludicrous things like freaking out when high schools offered classes in Farsi.
    Here in Tennessee there was a minor freakout over a mop sink installed after some renovations to the Capitol. Some republican lawmakers were afraid it was a place where Muslims could wash their feet prior to prayers....

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    We do too. It is a clear cut sign that Arabs have been more influential than one's own government and culture! I feel disappointed when I see them! Albanians thinking that they are freaking Arabs man!

    Luckily they are the minority. But when the population is homogenous and we are not as much in the world anyway, the influence seems to do more damage I believe? How does that makes you feel?
    It doesn't bother me. I don't understand the draw of religions - perhaps a childhood steeped in religion jaded me. I do think it's a sign that there's something missing in our society when young people look to other cultures/religions for meaning in their lives and acceptance. Perhaps it's a sign that these young people aren't as materialistic as we and most of our children are. That's not a bad thing, but perhaps we're not giving these young people the opportunities to express themselves in a spiritual way and they somehow find it there.

    I live in Toronto, one of the most culturally and racially diverse cities in the world, so seeing people who look different from me is a way of life here - in large parts of the city, an old white man like me is the oddity to some extent.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good morning Vesper,

    The ad I had particular concern with, displayed in a public institution which I consider public transit to be, is the one that says "it's not Islamophobia, it's Islamorealism", below the image of the young Brit believed to be the executioner of James Foley as well as the image taken shortly before James Foley is murdered. To me, that equates directly murder with Islam - calling it "realism". One could argue it would be no different than saying "it's not Brit-phobia, it's Brit-realism", implying that all Brits are murderers. The first amendment difference is that religion has some protections whereas Brits do not.

    I don't think you or I would disagree that the purpose of these ads is to stir up resentment at a minimum and active resentment either political or, more troubling resentment leading to physical violence. These aren't ads designed in the public service announcement category, at least from my view. They're dangerous, in my view, because they are so blatant in their message, and that makes them unsuitable in a public institution.
    What the ad seeks to do, and I read some Geller for this, is to fight back in like manner against what is happening to the Jews in the Middle East as well as in both Europe and a growing number in North America as well. And that there is a double standard, or quadruple standards, at play here is undeniable.

    Why should anyone not be able to speak out against Islam, or Muslims? Why do we need couch are words in any way? Islam is a belief system and nothing more. It seems clear then that if we disagree with these beliefs, or find them rather foolish we should say so, or at least not be prevented from saying so. That they are beliefs, and nothing more, is why many try to use the term "racist" to thwart any criticism of Islam.

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