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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Here in Toronto, on our buses and subways, religious ads are always controversial. However, if they simply espouse the "benefits" of one religion without disparaging any other religion they have been accepted in limited ways. The ones I've seen have simply been informational such as "get more information here", etc.

    Personally, regardless of your views on the topics expressed in the three ads posted in the OP, I believe these ads are dangerous in that they could incite violence against anyone who is outwardly Islamic and clearly many Muslims wear their religion quite clearly in their everyday lives. On that basis, I would oppose them just as strenuously as I would oppose some Palestinian support group who wanted to post ads condemning Israel for Palestinian "apartheid".
    That's no excuse to deny others their 1st Amendment rights. If Muslims are offended to the point of violence, then they'll suffer the concequences of their crimes; perhaps other Muslims will come to understand, by that example, that they have to moderate their religious feelings.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

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    That's no excuse to deny others their 1st Amendment rights. If Muslims are offended to the point of violence, then they'll suffer the concequences of their crimes; perhaps other Muslims will come to understand, by that example, that they have to moderate their religious feelings.
    When do the first amendment rights of one party override the first amendment rights of another? Aren't you disrespecting the first amendment rights of Muslims when you say they "will come to understand, by that example, that they have to moderate their religious feelings"? Isn't the NYC subway/transit system an arm of the government? Can't it be argued that the government is clearly abusing the first amendment rights of Muslims through allowing such ads?
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Well, that should calm things down

    Pamela Gellar is a nutjob who spends her existance inciting hatred of a entire people based on religious affiliation.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    AFDI is an extreme group. Its ads are anything but informative.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    When do the first amendment rights of one party override the first amendment rights of another?Aren't you disrespecting the first amendment rights of Muslims when you say they "will come to understand, by that example, that they have to moderate their religious feelings"? Isn't the NYC subway/transit system an arm of the government? Can't it be argued that the government is clearly abusing the first amendment rights of Muslims through allowing such ads?
    Freedom of religion doesn't negate free speech. If I want to criticize Islam, or any other religion, it's my constitutional right to do so. If the government tells me I can't criticize a particular religion, then that would be government endorsement of that religion.

    Aren't you disrespecting the first amendment rights of Muslims when you say they "will come to understand, by that example, that they have to moderate their religious feelings"?
    Violence isn't protected by the 1st Amendment.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Well, that should calm things down

    Pamela Gellar is a nutjob who spends her existance inciting hatred of a entire people based on religious affiliation.
    What people?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

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    What people?
    Those that you have already publically stated that you hate.

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    I'm not in love with the Saudi government. They're Muslims and I hate Muslims. I am a big fan of facts and there aren't any facts to support the accusation that the Saudi government funds terrorists.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's no excuse to deny others their 1st Amendment rights. If Muslims are offended to the point of violence, then they'll suffer the consequences of their crimes; perhaps other Muslims will come to understand, by that example, that they have to moderate their religious feelings.
    This recent parade didn't gain as much attention as the ads did. ‘Pro-Terror’ (United American)Muslim Day Parade – NYC- 2014- pics/vids | the "silent" majority no more!

    There a fear by some of offending Muslims and Islam moreso than other groups or religions and, as well, we might also ask ourselves if anything on that ad is untrue. Given the amount of Islamic violence against innocent people throughout the world in the past few decades I think it's time we dropped our concerns about offending anyone. This does not mean we should be attacking or defaming innocent individual Muslims but I see no problem in attacking the religion which is committing so much violence in the world today.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    AFDI is an extreme group. Its ads are anything but informative.
    This is their rationale. FDI

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Those that you have already publically stated that you hate.
    Oh, so hating Islam equates to being a racist? You're doing the same thing Objective Voice is doing. You folks have a hair trigger.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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