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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

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    Conservatives have always been on the side of authoritative government, on the side of more power for police, on the side of more laws, more control, against individual rights and liberties. They talk liberal values of personal freedom but they walk conservative values of government control.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

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    You know, if you worked at it you could be considerably more irrelevant.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

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    Where are the American Muslim voices denouncing these clerics and Imams that spread messages of such vile hatred in the name of their God? All I hear are "crickets". Here in Ohio, and North in Michigan, these Muslim congregations have been caught aiding and abetting those who were planning terrorist attacks and just recently here in the Columbus a group of Muslims from the local congregation were involved in a ring kidnapping young girls and selling them as sex slaves that crossed state lines into Minnesota. Seems Britain has had a real problem with that one too. So spare me with the KKK analogy. The KKK is not growing in numbers but has diminished because people of the Christian faith would not tolerate it. Same with the Westboro Baptist bozos.
    They're living their lives, the same as you and I. How often do you denounce Christian violence in other countries, or even this one? How often do you feel like it's your responsibility to do so? This "why aren't they denouncing it" nonsense assumes that somehow people have a responsibility to prove to you that they don't support people half a world away. They don't have to prove it any more than you do.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

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    And a good afternoon to you too Ves...



    If there is "clear evidence" of a growth in terrorists then post it.

    Having said that I do know that Islam is a very individualized religion, there is no pope and no leadership structure. Each Mosque like Sikh Temples are autonomous, so a non Muslim's opinion on what is happening in a large and diverse community spanning several races is not reliable. The assistant manager of my credit union is a Muslim and I know she's not a terrorist and the other I know is a cop so I can assume we can rule him out.


    If the issue is terrorism, fight terror. But launching a clear hate campaign because some Muslims pulled off some bombings is not on. and while you point out the Islamic based terror incidents I like to point to Tim McVeigh and some other white Americans as well.
    And my point sugah is in order to fight terrorism we are finding ourselves having to go directly to the mosques to do it because the message some of their leaders give to their congregations are at the very heart of the acts of terrorism. There are evil people in all walks of life. Tim McVeigh was one of many. However, he didn't use a religion to hide behind to justify his wrongdoing. He was an agnostic. His perverted insane thinking was against the government where he justified killing many innocent lives.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    They're living their lives, the same as you and I. How often do you denounce Christian violence in other countries, or even this one? How often do you feel like it's your responsibility to do so? This "why aren't they denouncing it" nonsense assumes that somehow people have a responsibility to prove to you that they don't support people half a world away. They don't have to prove it any more than you do.
    Excuse me all to heck, but as a Christian I have often found myself standing up for what I found was being done in the name of Christ to be deplorable. In all the three major religions, Jewish, Christian and Muslim.....only one refuses to stand up and fight radicalism and that is Islam. When the people of that faith refuse to stand up against the things they claim are evil and allow radicalism to become the norm then you have a religion that has lost all credibility as they allow the evil to hide behind them.

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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

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    Everything those ads claim is accurate, and I agree with them completely. The city is apparently trying to claim this is speech that falls outside the First Amendment protection under the "clear and present danger" exception--i.e, that it is calculated to and likely to create an imminent threat of lawless action. I doubt it can make that fly. Good luck to Ms. Geller and her organization. It's high time Americans started calling these lousy SOB's out for what they are. They like the idea of using violence against other people--let's see how they like wondering if some of those people may use it on them first.
    one of the ads compares the actions of Hamas, a terrorist organization in palestine, to the actions of CAIR, which is the acronym for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, which is an organization dedicated to the advocacy and civil rights of american muslims.

    comparing CAIR to Hamas is factually untrue.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    And my point sugah is in order to fight terrorism we are finding ourselves having to go directly to the mosques to do it because the message some of their leaders give to their congregations are at the very heart of the acts of terrorism. There are evil people in all walks of life. Tim McVeigh was one of many. However, he didn't use a religion to hide behind to justify his wrongdoing. He was an agnostic. His perverted insane thinking was against the government where he justified killing many innocent lives.

    Timothy McVeigh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Ah, dear...this is kinda tough...

    Then, if these Mosque leaders are harboring or furthering terrorists, as proscribed by the constitution, obtain the evidence and prosecute.

    Look, we had this same crap here in the early 80's. Americans it seems forget WE were the first North American country to be hit by international terrorism. We had bombs going off and two airliners were blown up after bombs were planted on planes here at my very airport. Sikh terrorism was very much a threat, and it claimed several hundred Canadian lives when Air India Flight 182 blew up over the Atlantic killing 329 people. It was the first bombing of a 747 jumbo jet.

    Do you think there wasn't some panicked reaction here, where the Sikh population is 20%? We had a Sikh reporter who had threats made on here life as she reported on the reaction of the over all Sikh community. And the word "extremist" took on a broader, less specific meaning; it seemed in some corners wearing a turban was "extremist."

    In the end we got the bombers. They will die in prison, we do not kill people here. It may seem too little to some, but what we also got was a more harmonized country, one where white are kinda proud our Sikh brothers tout their turbans and how-the-****-do-they-do-that beards. What we have also is a Sikh community that identifies as Canadian as opposed to "indo-Canadian" who live in peace knowing we won't over-react and put them in concentration camps like the British.

    Sometimes democracy sucks. Sometimes bad guys get away with it. Most of the time, though, the innocent don't pay.

    I would give some, a bit, of consideration of an ad campaign, different than this, if the US had gone after the spontaneous demonstrator terrorists who killed ambassador Stephens and remain free. That, more than anything else fueled extremism as a whole new generation see that yes, you can attack US soil, kill Americans and get away with it.
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    Re: Shocking Anti-Islam Ad Campaign Coming To New York City Buses And Subways

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Ah, dear...this is kinda tough...

    Then, if these Mosque leaders are harboring or furthering terrorists, as proscribed by the constitution, obtain the evidence and prosecute.

    Look, we had this same crap here in the early 80's. Americans it seems forget WE were the first North American country to be hit by international terrorism. We had bombs going off and two airliners were blown up after bombs were planted on planes here at my very airport. Sikh terrorism was very much a threat, and it claimed several hundred Canadian lives when Air India Flight 182 blew up over the Atlantic killing 329 people. It was the first bombing of a 747 jumbo jet.

    Do you think there wasn't some panicked reaction here, where the Sikh population is 20%? We had a Sikh reporter who had threats made on here life as she reported on the reaction of the over all Sikh community. And the word "extremist" took on a broader, less specific meaning; it seemed in some corners wearing a turban was "extremist."

    In the end we got the bombers. They will die in prison, we do not kill people here. It may seem too little to some, but what we also got was a more harmonized country, one where white are kinda proud our Sikh brothers tout their turbans and how-the-****-do-they-do-that beards. What we have also is a Sikh community that identifies as Canadian as opposed to "indo-Canadian" who live in peace knowing we won't over-react and put them in concentration camps like the British.

    Sometimes democracy sucks. Sometimes bad guys get away with it. Most of the time, though, the innocent don't pay.

    I would give some, a bit, of consideration of an ad campaign, different than this, if the US had gone after the spontaneous demonstrator terrorists who killed ambassador Stephens and remain free. That, more than anything else fueled extremism as a whole new generation see that yes, you can attack US soil, kill Americans and get away with it.
    So you don't care for the ads. Alright. But I am afraid you will see more and more of the same in the days to come because people are tired of walking on political correct eggshells while the threat of terrorism grows.
    Yes, we are prosecuting and sending them to jail but not until after hundreds of man hours of those preparing for a prosecution and those who are in the trenches thwarting another terrorist attack at the taxpayers' expense. Look I have lost all tolerance for any "religious" person who wants to claim a religion of peace yet who will allow themselves to be used to hide a faction of those who are anything but what they claim. They need to start standing up and denouncing this crap and throw the Imams out are their asses that promote it and any member of their congregations involved in such things removed from their memberships. Until then they are allowing themselves to be enablers and more and more Americans will see them as a threat.

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